11 Genuinely Shocking Scientology Facts Everyone Should Know.

There has been a lot of interest in Scientology recently, much of it inspired by the courage of former members like Leah Remini speaking out in ways we've never seen before. 

But even with all we've learned, there are still plenty of things about this murky religious movement that are not nearly as well-known as they should be. Here are just a few things everyone should know about Scientology.

Scientology doesnt have the best relationship with the group known as Anonymous, a loose affiliation of hackers, internet anarchists, and bored teenage coders. 

In 2008, the Church of Scientology tried to suppress a copyrighted video of Tom Cruise extolling the virtues of Hubbards teachings. Anonymous interpreted this as an act censorship, and declared war. 

They temporarily crashed Scientologys website, ordered hundreds of pizzas to Scientology compounds in Europe, and wasted the churchs ink by sending all-black faxes to their LA office. 

The Tom Cruise video remained available.

The attack on Scientology was actually kind of a watershed moment for Anonymous, and led to them adopting their somewhat terrifying slogan: We are legion. We do not forgive. We do not forget. Expect us.


In 2005, South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker aired an episode called Trapped In The Closet, which was deeply critical of Scientology and its celebrity apostles John Travolta and Tom Cruise. 

In response, the church opened an investigation into the personal lives of Stone and Parker, a classic technique employed by Scientologists against outside critics, who are often branded suppressive persons.

Marty Rathbun, formerly a high-ranking member of the church explains how it works. Phone records. Bank records. Personal letters that expose some kind of vulnerability. Theyll read stuff into the kind of alcohol youre drinking and how much. Prescriptions. Theyll figure out your diet. They can find out a lot about you through your trash.

More surprising than this response is the fact that the investigation unearthed nothing damaging. Then again, its hard to shame two guys who once went to the Academy Awards high on LSD and wearing dresses


In November 1978, a cult known as the Peoples Temple, led by the infamous Jim Jones, committed mass suicide in the jungles of Guyana. 909 members of the church died, along with US Congressman Leo Ryan, who was assassinated when he attempted to rescue those who wanted to leave the congregation. 

In response, Ted Patrick decided to take a stand against dangerous religious movements.

Patrick was a deprogrammer, someone who specializes in helping those who have been indoctrinated by dangerous ideologies. He founded the Cult Awareness Network, which collected information on groups alleged to be cults, and offered resources to those wishing to leave such groups. 

One of the groups CAN targeted most aggressively was the Church of Scientology. The director of the network said, Scientology is quite likely the most ruthless, the most classically terroristic, the most litigious and the most lucrative cult the country has ever seen. No cult extracts more money from its members.

Unfortunately, CAN didnt turn out to be such a great group either. They were forced to declare bankruptcy after they were found to have abducted someone they were trying to deprogram.

The Cult Awareness Network was put up for auction, and was purchased by an attorney for of the Church of Scientology. 

The group that was originally founded to help people escape from new religious movements is now owned and operated by one. Or, as 60 Minutes put it: Now, when you call looking for information about a cult, chances are the person you're talking to is a Scientologist.

Sources: 1, 2.

Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard began his writing career as a creator of pulp science fiction - a booming genre in the 1930s. 

Hubbard is not considered an especially adept writer by non-Scientologists, but he was extremely prolific. (In his time, contributors to fiction periodicals were paid by the word, so quantity was definitely more lucrative than quality.)

Hubbard produced so much science fiction that he actually holds the Guinness world record for most published works by a single author, with 1,084. 

To quote Joe Rogan, Hubbard made up more [expletive] than anyone who ever lived.

Sources: 1, 2.

Scientology has a particular fondness for celebrity adherents, and makes special efforts to recruit famous followers.

The reasons why Scientology is so closely linked with Hollywood run deeper than you might think, and as former member and actress Leah Remini has pointed out, the relationship is even more sinister than it seems. 

The emphasis on proselytizing to the rich and famous was first stressed by Hubbard in 1955, when he released a convert wish-list that included Ernest Hemingway, Danny Kaye, Orson Welles, Liberace, Bing Crosby, Pablo Picasso and Walt Disney. 

These celebrities are well-guarded, well-barricaded, over-worked, aloof quarry, Hubbard wrote to his followers. If you bring one of them home you will get a small plaque as your reward.

Obviously, cultivating celebrities helps Scientology's public image. It furnishes the church with high-profile spokespeople who are well-situatuated to disseminate Hubbard's message to a broader audience. But the benefits run both ways. 

Far from offering a respite from the red carpet, Scientology takes pains to treat its celebrities like a higher class of being. As Leah Remini, the former Scientologist star of King of Queens has noted, celebrities receive special treatment from the church - in some cases, including personal staff provided free of charge. 

Remini believes this is part of the reason why more famous members don't leave Scientology. Not only does the church by its very nature collect the secrets of its members in browbeating auditing sessions, but there's plenty of carrot to go along with the stick. 

Sources: 1, 2.

One celebrity follower Scientology definitely doesn't want to be associated with is the convicted murderer and cult leader Charles Manson. 

Although Manson was never a card-carrying Scientologist, so to speak, he did dabble in Hubbard's philosophy while he was in prison in the early 60s, prior to the string of murders that would make him infamous. 

Manson was introduced to Scientology by a cellmate, and for a time seems to have identified with what was, at the time, a new philosophy. However, he soon tired of doing auditing sessions, and apparently got himself admitted to solitary confinement so as to avoid them. 

It's unlikely that Manson would have enjoyed the hours of deep, probing introspection that Scientology requires. 


Although the consensus is that Scientologys influence in the wider world is now waning, there was a time when the church was able to intimidate even the United States government. In fact, during the 1970s, Scientologists conducted one of the most daring infiltrations of the US government in history. 

It was called Operation Snow White. 

By the early 1970s, Hubbard was concerned that the government might move against the church. The IRS posed a particular threat, since they had been claiming that Scientology owed millions in back taxes. 

And so a number of high-ranking church members began infiltrating government organizations - taking jobs in the Coast Guard, the Drug Enforcement Agency, and especially the IRS. 

The objective was two-fold. 1) To steal or destroy any government documents that could incriminate Scientology, and 2) to plant false information that could later be used to embarrass authorities.

When Scientologists learned that the IRS was about to hold a meeting to discuss the church's tax exempt status, they went so far as to bug the meeting and record the discussion. 

The operation finally came to light in 1976, when two Scientologists were caught in the library of the United States Courthouse, where they had been photocopying documents under false pretences. 

In the aftermath, 11 conspirators from the church were indicted and sentenced to five years in prison, including Mary Sue Hubbard, L. Ron's wife, who had been one of the operation's masterminds. 

Although Hubbard himself was not indicted, the scandal sent him into hiding for the rest of his life. 


One of the things to understand about Scientology is its diametric opposition to the fields of psychology and psychiatry. The official reasoning behind this is that there were major abuses in the treatment of the mentally ill in the past, just as today there is a tendency toward over-diagnosis and over-prescription of mind-altering drugs. 

But the real root of Scientology's anti-psych stance probably has more to do with Hubbard's personal antipathies. 

The evidence is overwhelming: Hubbard was a deeply troubled man by the time he returned from World War II. In this letter from 1947, he reaches out to Veterans Affairs, begging them for psychiatric care. 

He received no reply. 

It's also worth mentioning that, before he founded a religious movement, Hubbard tried to pitch his research to The American Psychiatric Association. They were not interested in his ideas. 

Sources: 1, 2, 3.

Although L. Ron Hubbard died in 1986, according to Scientology's theology, he never really died at all. 

By way of a eulogy, the new leader of the church, David Miscavige, said the following: The being we knew as L. Ron Hubbard still exists. However, the body he had could no longer serve his purposes. This decision was one made at complete cause by L. Ron Hubbard. Although you may feel grief, understand that he did not and does not now. He has simply moved on to his next step.

An attorney for the church added: The body of L. Ron Hubbard was sound and strong, and fully capable of serving this mighty thetan for many years, had that suited his purposes.

This is why L. Ron Hubbard's office has been kept intact, complete with typewriter, lest he should return in one form or another. 

Sources: 1, 2

In the wasteland of northern New Mexico, there are two overlapping circles etched into the scrub, only visible from high altitude. Although they resemble crop circles, they actually represent something more nefarious. 

Theyre the emblem of the Church of Spiritual Technology (CST). CST, the arm of Scientology that controls copyrights to all of founder L. Ron Hubbards work, operates an unusual facility in the area. 

Known as Trementina Base, this compound is the official storage site for Hubbards writings, recordings, and films. At Trementina, the complete anthology has been inscribed onto stainless steel tablets, encased in titanium capsules, and catalogued in an underground vault.

Former Scientologists suggest that the strange markings on the surface are actually intended to serve as a signpost for Hubbards faithful followers when they inevitably return to earth from across the universe in the far future. That way, they will be able to find the long lost teachings of their founder and prophet. 


You may have noticed that Scientology has a vaguely nautical flavor to it. High-ranking members wear what look to be naval uniforms; the highest church teachings can only be handed down on a cruise ship called Freewinds; Scientologys elite formation is called the Sea Organization.

None of this is by accident. 

L. Ron Hubbard was in the US Navy during WWII, and briefly commanded a submarine destroyer in the Pacific. Although he liked to portray himself as a war hero later on, his 900-page Navy file tells a very different story. 

On one occasion, Hubbard dropped all his depth-charges during a 68-hour battle with an enemy submarine that did not exist. Hubbard refused to believe this. He was later relieved of his command after shelling a Mexican island for target practice. 

Sources: 1, 2.

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Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?

You're not the only one.

u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?

Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.

I Know What I Like


My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.

The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.

- AardvarkAndy

A Stair Step

My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.

- RazerWolf04

My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.

- Apples9308


My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.

We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.

- FormalMango


I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.

My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.

- dontcryformegiratina


With an ex:

"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."

She did not understand this.

I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.

"Now how much do you have in your hand?"

She still didn't understand.

She somehow has a college degree.

- Speedly

Mini Wheats

When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.

- shicole3



I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.

- CorrectionalChard

That's Unfair

My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.

His answer was that I was being unfair.

- ShyAcorn

Pure Masochism

How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."

To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.

- argofire

Emailing NASA

A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.

- derawin07

A Non-Standard Ruler? 

I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.

Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.

7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.

Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.

Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.

- Lovelocke

This Unusual Vegan Argument

Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.

He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.

That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."

Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.

Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.

- onlytruebertos

Monty Python

In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.

It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.

- Skrivus

Albert or Arnold


Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?

- Gerrard1995

Below Sea Level

I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.

I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.

This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.

- -justforclout-


Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.

Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.

An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.

I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.

- TK-DuVeraun

Whales Are Mammals

I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.

- kawaii_psycho451


Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.

- sun_phobic

Shower Schedule

My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.

- LibrarianGovernment

No Balloons For Grandma

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.

He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.

He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

- Dskee02

Spontaneous Dolphin Existence


How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.

- thebeststory

Male Chickens

I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.

- bee_zah

Lightning McQueen

Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.

- 23071115

But ... Ice Floats

Waiter/Host here.

Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.

Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.

- FarWoods

Time Zones Exist

Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.

- JustARegularToaster


My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?"

"that's orange"

"no, it's red"



It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

- droneb2hive

Andre 2000?


I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)

The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.

The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.

It was stupid.

- P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D

Stars Like Our Sun

I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.


Richard Nixon

I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.

I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.

Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.


Balloon to Heaven

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.

And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.


Binder Clips

I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.

He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.

It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.



Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".

My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.




3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.

I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.


Lingerie Boxes

Late to the party, but there it is.

I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.

Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.


Wicked Witch of the West

I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.

I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.


Keep Your Hands to Yourself

Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.

They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.

So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.



My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.

I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.

We didn't speak to each other for four days.



How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).

How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.


Dogs and Chocolate


I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.

I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.


Is water wet?

My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.

For the record, it is no to both questions.


Mission Trip

A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.

He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.


Dragon Tales

One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.

It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.


Green Or Yellow?

When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.

Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.


Stars In Their Multitude


I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".

I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.



My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.


Hot Water

About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.

She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.

We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.


Biology Class

I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"

I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.

I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...


Solid Or Liquid?

Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.

For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.