Male OB/GYNs Share Why They Wanted To Become Gynecologists.
Male gynecologists of Reddit were asked: "What made you want to be a gynecologist and how has it affected your view of women?" These are some of the best answers.
1/14 95% of the time I'm with a patient on one of the best days of their life. That is hard to pass up.
2/14 I remember when I was a student... it was my first day in OBGYN, they asked me to help the attending... basically I held the labia apart. I was a virgin of course, I'd never touched a vagina up until that point. Anyways, it was scary to say the least. Then seeing that baby pushed out, and the attending cutting open the vagina a bit... It was chaos, screaming, blood, poop, and stink was everywhere. Then to top it off... POP! I had goop all over me. I didn't know what to do. I wanted to run out and take a shower... but alas I was patient until the very end.
After it was over I remember asking a senior med student... "What was it like when you first saw that?" he replied "It was a freak show". Indeed, that's what it truly was. I spent the rest of my rotation walking around the wing pretending to be busy. Just couldn't do it. Until my first c-section of course... that's another story.
3/14 I'm a fourth year male med student going into OB/GYN. Absolutely loved my 3rd year rotation - from L&D to gyn onc OR w Da Vinci, and from outpt clinic to reproductive endo, I loved every moment of it. I literally could not imagine doing anything else. Plus, OB/GYN has a huge role to play in global health.
But the female preference for female providers does worry me somewhat - and honestly, it is entirely understandable. Crappy doctors though, are found in every specialty and every hospital. I hope that my future patients will give me a chance, and would value a skillful, compassionate provider (which I hope to become) above my gender. However, one could argue that now there are more than enough female OB/GYN that are skillful and compassionate, and with all things being equal, why would one choose a male OB/GYN?
That is one of the reasons why I think I will possibly sub-specialize rather than become a general OB/GYN (although I would be missing out on the variety). I suppose I will find out through residency!
4/14 I never thought I would do OB. I actually detested the idea until I started medical school. I was all about doing ER for a long time, at least until I saw a c-section. That sold it for me. A few years into residency I hope to get into an MFM fellowship to work with the complications of pregnancy. As a dude doing Ob/Gyn, I get it. I don't have those parts. I don't have periods. I don't get pregnant. It doesn't mean that I am not compassionate. I try to treat everyone the way that I would want to be treated if I were in their shoes. I talk to people like they are people - being a doctor is cool and all, but it doesn't make me better than them. I think that, while I lack true firsthand experience, I get where a lot of women are coming from when they have complaints. I know most people think I have a gross job but I think I am pretty fortunate.
5/14 As a male resident physician specializing in ObGyn... Well labor and delivery are such a rush for me and they are a wonderful experience 99% of the time. That other sad 1%? It is just as important that they have a supportive and caring doctor, if not more so. In no other specialty do people come to see me so often because they're healthy.
C-sections (when indicated) are really enjoyable from a technical perspective. Reaching in and pulling that head out is awesome. When I deliver a baby to a family who really wants that baby, man the feels. Plus I get to be the first person to hold them. Welcome to the world little one!
6/14 I'm on my 3rd year rotation with OB/GYN now and I love it, much more than I could have predicted. Here's why.
There is nothing like labor and delivery. Being a part of that moment for a family is a profound and humbling experience. The patients usually have good lives that get even better with your care. As already mentioned, it's nice to be working with patients who are generally healthy, but have an issue that is causing them real concern and you can actually do something about it. The surgery is very impressive. C-section as "surgery with a prize" is a great description, that only begins to convey the special nature of that operation. It's a fast moving procedure that requires definitive and deliberate action and results in a new life. It's the best operation I've seen thus far. The other surgery can be very technical and nerdy, with robots and such, which is awesome as well. The technical aspect is engaging. Treatments for infertility combine top shelf aspects of surgery, laboratory work, endocrinology, technology, and patient interaction. It's impressive.
How has it affected my views towards women? I have a greater respect for them. The strain put on a woman dealing with an OBGYN issue, both physically and emotionally, can be intense. What's more, it can be utterly private and isolating. Women will share things with their doctor that they can't even talk about with their spouse. To realize how many women deal with these problems without any support, and come into the clinic & walk out again acting as if nothing happened, has been an impressive realization. I wish communication about "lady parts" were more straight forward and acceptable. Simply understandings some basic details of things like contraception, fertility, normal body development and std's would be very beneficial for both men and women.
One other thought. A male OB/GYN does note the body type, physical characteristics, personal history, hygiene, emotional state of, and overall composure of his patient. This is not because he is judging them, but because it is clinically important and determines the best treatments/care he will provide.
7/14 I considered going into OB/GYN in med school. One thing I really liked about it is that its usually a happy time for everyone involved. So much of medicine is depressing with lots of death and disease. With OB, the whole family comes to the hospital to celebrate. Plus C-sections are fun. Its like surgery with a prize.
8/14 I'm just finishing my Obs/Gyn rotation in school, so I haven't committed. I love the patient population. In the Obs side people are generally happy/healthy. Helping a woman realize that she can feel how big her uterus has gotten (full of baby) or figure out where the babies head is really thrilling. On the Gyne side the age and health range is MUCH more varied, as is the gravity of the conditions/problems.
Obs can be very tiring, particularly the overnight call. Catching babies is fun, and most of the time very straightforward. It can be pretty intense when things are going badly. Consequences are very high, and you're taking care of two patients (plus hopefully keeping their partner/family calm). I much prefer the gyne side of things. Most of it isn't very serious from a life/death perspective, but makes a HUGE difference in the quality of a person's life. Massively/heavy painful periods won't kill you, but it sure will make your life [hard]. It feels great to help fix that.
On the more serious end of gyne is gynecological oncology. This is my favorite. You get to be a surgeon, a palliative care doctor, and a medical oncologist. My experience is that these docs are the most surgeon-y of the obsgyn folks. They tend to stop practicing the Obs side of things. The spectrum of cancers that they deal with includes some very serious stuff, particularly ovarian cancer. The majority of those patients will only live a few years after diagnosis. Which means that gynonc docs need to be fantastic at the palliative care side of things. Patients shouldn't need to say things like "that doctor was really nice for a surgeon!" Surgeons should consider empathy and counseling to be part of their practice, and patients should expect their surgeons to be more than just talented technicians.
9/14 I know this might be hard to comprehend but it's not about seeing people naked. By the time you make your way through med school and residency you are desensitized to everything. Dealing with feces, urine, blood, pus, and death are everyday occurrences.
Obstetrics & Gynecology is actually an incredibly interesting field. It has elements [form] all types of medicine involved. One thing that kept me from entering it was the fact that the OBGYN is liable every child they deliver until they are 18 years of age. So if the develops or a defects becomes more pronounced as they age, they can sue. They'll come look at the delivery report and the fetal rhythm strip. Their malpractice insurance is sky high.
10/14 I'm a male in the middle of my OBGYN residency now, planning on doing GYN oncology. I remember thinking before my rotation as a third year medical student that there was no way in hell I'd enjoy it. I was dead wrong. It's a wonderful field, with a good mix of surgery, primary care and emergencies. There are four major fellowships in oncology, urogynecology, reproductive endocrinology and maternal fetal medicine along with other smaller subspecialties. So as a generalist, it's a field that you get to cover a lot of ground in.
The two questions I get asked most are: 1) Doesn't vagina gross you out now? and 2) Are you ever attracted to your patients? The answer is no to both. I find it pretty easy to separate work life from my personal life. I couldn't imaging being in any other field.
11/14 I love babies and I love talking to people about their sex life. It was an easy decision.
12/14 Got interested during med school. Many subjects were
going over my head not keeping my interest, but something fell into place for me when we got to the gynecological cases and diseases. My lines of reasoning suddenly started getting me to the correct conclusions in patient cases, and individual diseases/subjects were easier for me to wrap my head around than in other areas of medicine. When we got around to practical courses and consultations, I also enjoyed the hands on approach to examination and problem solving. In addition, most patients are young and healthy, as opposed to a field like oncology or cardiology.
13/14 I am an OB/GYN, in the field for 25 years. I went into the field because I found that I really enjoyed my interactions with female patients. I have the best possible balance of long term relationships, short term surgical problem solving and delivering babies. Operating is rewarding and challenging and I have the opportunity to use state of the art tech like laparoscopic and robotic techniques to help my patients. I have patients whom I have known from their teens, seen them grow up and start families of their own, and helped them through sickness, divorce, and aging. I am just starting to deliver my second generation, and while the late nights wear me down more than they once did, I am in a group practice, so I don't have to lose sleep too often.
I consider it a privilege to be a part of some of the most intimate and significant parts of my patients' lives. As for the aspect of inspecting genitalia all day, I can assure you that context is hugely important. I may be surrounded by breasts and vaginas all day but I find that a flash of cleavage at a social function is far more arousing than even a perfect breast displayed for a yearly exam. One of my attending professors once told us, only half in jest, that men who went into OB/GYN "either loved women, hated women, or wanted to be women." I hope I am in the first group.
14/14 I never thought I'd end up doing ob/gyn, but I enjoyed my rotation in medical school. The variety of the work is entertaining. We get to do surgery and office visits, and the visits tend to be procedure heavy. L&D is a lot of fun. Also, it's nice to have "healthier" patients, as lots of pregnancy visits are young women who aren't dying. Ultimately, I just felt like fit in with that type of doctor (ob/gyns tend to be work hard/play hard type of individuals). It felt kinda weird to make the decision at first, but once I got used to it I couldn't really see myself doing much else.
Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?
You're not the only one.
u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.
I Know What I LikeGiphy
My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.
The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.
A Stair Step
My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.
My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.
My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.
We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.
I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.
My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.
With an ex:
"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."
She did not understand this.
I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.
"Now how much do you have in your hand?"
She still didn't understand.
She somehow has a college degree.
When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.
I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.
My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.
His answer was that I was being unfair.
How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."
To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.
A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.
A Non-Standard Ruler?
I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.
Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.
7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.
Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.
Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.
This Unusual Vegan Argument
Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.
He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.
That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."
Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.
Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.
In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.
It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.
Albert or ArnoldGiphy
Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?
Below Sea Level
I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.
I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.
This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.
Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.
Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.
An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.
I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.
Whales Are Mammals
I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.
Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.
My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.
No Balloons For Grandma
My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.
He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.
He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.
Spontaneous Dolphin ExistenceGiphy
How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.
Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.
I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.
Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.
But ... Ice Floats
Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.
Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.
Time Zones Exist
Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.
My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.
"Hey could you hand me that red _____?"
"no, it's red"
"YOU CANT EVEN KNOW"
It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.
I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)
The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.
The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.
It was stupid.
Stars Like Our Sun
I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.
I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.
I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.
Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.
Balloon to Heaven
My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.
And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.
I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.
He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.
It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.
Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".
My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.
3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.
I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.
Late to the party, but there it is.
I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.
Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.
Wicked Witch of the West
I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.
I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.
Keep Your Hands to Yourself
Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.
They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.
So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.
My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.
I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.
We didn't speak to each other for four days.
How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).
How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.
Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.
Dogs and ChocolateGiphy
I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.
I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.
Is water wet?
My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.
For the record, it is no to both questions.
A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.
He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.
One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.
It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.
Green Or Yellow?
When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.
Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.
Stars In Their MultitudeGiphy
I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".
I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.
My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.
"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".
It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.
About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.
She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.
We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.
I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"
I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.
I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...
Solid Or Liquid?
Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.
For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.