24 Of The Biggest Plot Holes In Harry Potter That Most People Didn't Notice.

As much as we want to say that Queen J.K. Rowling can do no wrong, even the best of writers can leave mistakes and inconsistencies in the final draft. Over the years since the Harry Potter movies and books came out, fans have taken to obsessing over the smallest of details about the Wizarding world, which has led to some.... confusion. 

Harry Potter fans on Reddit were asked: "What are the biggest plot holes and errors in the series?" These are some of the best answers. 

One thing that always bothered me was that Tom Riddle basically stumbled upon the entrance to the Chamber of Secrets, when the entrance was in the girls' bathroom. Assuming that girls used to use this bathroom before Myrtle died, how did he get away with constantly going in there? Like okay maybe he only went late at night, but no one ever noticed anything weird going on in that bathroom? Just seems odd to me, maybe something Rowling overlooked...


I don't quite understand the trace with regards to underage Wizards performing magic.

The trace is fixed upon an underage Wizard before he comes of age, hence the Ministry being able to detect underage magic immediately whenever the underage Wizard does it. But I still don't quite understand the following situations.

Is it traceable by location or by person?

When Dobby did the Hover Charm (in year two), the Ministry couldn't differentiate whether it was indeed Dobby or Harry Potter who performed it. That suggests the Ministry can only detect some kind of magic at a particular address they have on record as being the residence of an underage wizard?

However, when Arthur Weasley visited Harry Potter at Privet Drive (in year), he did a lot of magic, including magically dodging the teacups Mr. Dursley was throwing as him, and as well as performing an anti-engorgment charm to return Dudley's tongue to a normal size. So how did the Ministry differentiate who actually performed that magic?

Moreover, at The Burrow, what happens if an underage Harry or Ron performs magic? Can't the elders simply say they performed magic instead?

Manik Sethisuwan

Aside from fines, where does the money come from to support the substantial infrastructure of Britain's magical society like the Ministry, Hogwarts, and the hospital? Especially since this society only produces 40-60 citizens per year (the number of magical kids per year at Hogwarts, minus the kids from non-magical families).


There is no excuse for them to be out-of-touch with the Muggle world.

Between the Minister of Magic working alongside the British Prime Minister, the Departments in the Ministry of Magic specifically designed to handle Muggle Affairs, a freaking Muggle Studies class at Hogwarts, and so many Muggleborns/Half-Bloods integrated into wizard society, why do wizards act surprised or bewildered by things non-magical people do? More importantly, why dont they embrace some aspects of Muggle life (excluding the minority of racist Purebloods).

Take Hogwarts school supplies for instance. Why would anyone want to use a heavy roll of parchment instead of just carrying around a couple notebooks? Or constantly dip their quill in ink every five minutes instead of using pens (or better yet, pencils). Maybe give these kids a driving lesson or two, so we dont have dumbos like second-year Harry and Ron flying enchanted vehicles without a license.

And why exactly is technology banned at Hogwarts? And how have students (Ravenclaws especially) not figured out how to override the magical restrictions? Last I checked, these preventive spells were cast back when the most advanced thing was the radio, so theres no telling how it can disable microprocessors and satellite signals.

Dylan MacIntyre

So in The Philosopher's Stone, in order to steal the stone, Quirrell must get Dumbledore out of the way. In order to do this, he fakes an urgent owl from the Ministry. This is without any doubt the worst plan anyone has ever had and it is only made more ridiculous by the fact that it works. 

Quirrell sends the letter in the afternoon; when Harry tries to warn Dumbledore he has already left. However, Quirrell doesn't seem to go after the stone until the evening. It is certainly after everyone has gone to bed when Harry, Ron and Hermione depart. How did Quirrell know Dumbledore would decide to fly to the Ministry instead of apparating, using floo powder, or getting Fawkes to teleport him? All of which would have been much quicker and easier than flying. Okay, he would have had to go out of the Hogwarts ground to Apparate but that's still going to be a lot easier than flying to London (I know in the films he can apparate from inside Hogwarts but I don't know if there is a good book example of this). 

Not to mention it was an urgent owl. How many people think, "Oh an emergency. I must find the slowest method of magical transportation." Dumbledore could have apparated/floo powdered his way to the Ministry, found out he wasn't actually needed, and been back all inside about half an hour. He could have been home before Quirrell even got past Fluffy, making it unnecessary for three 11-year-olds to brave death by poisoning, Voldemort, and being clubbed by giant chess pieces. Does Dumbledore want Harry to go after Quirrell? Because - reminder - he almost dies.

It's made clear in the last book that Dumbledore knows Quirrell is after the Stone. He introduces Harry to the mirror of Erised, he makes it so there's a path to the stone, including Devil's Snare which is conveniently mentioned in first year Herbology. Harry is with Hagrid when he picks up the 'top secret' package. What's that supposed to do except make Harry curious? And then, of course, Dumbledore is conveniently out of the way at the critical moment. As is Snape. 

So Dumbledore wants Harry to confront Voldemort? Does he think Harry can finish Voldemort? Maybe. He hadn't come across Riddle's Diary yet, so he may not have realized Voldemort had Horcruxes. Still, Voldemort failed to die the last time, so I don't know if I buy it. 

Best guess he's using his mirror trick to test Harry's intentions. To check Harry's not too attached to life to die when necessary. To get the stone, you have to want it, but not to use it. You have to value the greater good. Are there better ways to do this than to nearly kill an 11-year-old and his friends? Yes. Also, Harry pretty much burns Quirrell's face off and kills him, in a move that leaves surprisingly few emotional scars.


After the trio escape from the wedding, they are attacked by two death eaters at the cafe in Tottenham Court Road.

Ron says, "You're the boss. I've never done a memory charm before."
Hermione says, "Nor have I. But I know the theory."

This is false, as she has already put a memory charm on her parents before. 

Yedu Krishnan

There is a lot of confusion regarding the day after Voldemort kills Lily and James. Voldemort shows up on the evening of the 31st, kills Lily and James, and dies himself. Harry is picked up by Hagrid reasonably swiftly, and then not delivered until the next evening on Petunia and Vernon's doorstep.

Why does this take 24 hours? Why is Dumbledore choosing such a slow method of transportation when it isn't even 100% clear yet what has happened to Voldemort and his followers? It looks like Hagrid just shows up and they leave the kid on the doorstep, and that Harry was never out of Hagrid's care. Was there no effort taken to examine Harry? To figure out what had happened and if he was in any way hurt? 

I understand that it is important to leave Harry with his aunt so he is protected, but surely you are going to want to take a look at a kid who just survived one of the most dangerous spells in existence, if only to make sure there are no lingering health effects that might reveal themselves while he is living with the muggles.


Harry had a broomstick lesson in his first week, and accidentally auditioned for the Quidditch Team.

At no point in the next seven years did he have another.

I know he hardly needed one, but not once in the remaining books do they mention another broomstick class for anyone.


In The Goblet of Fire, Harry went to the prefects' bathroom on Cedric's advice to solve the clue of the golden egg. While returning, he accidentally got stuck in the trick step. Quoting from the book -

The golden egg fell through the tapestry at the bottom of thestaircase, burst open, and began wailing loudly in the corridor below.Harry pulled out his wand and struggled to touch the Marauders Map, to wipe it blank, but it was too far away to reach.

The map slips out of Harry's hands to the foot of the stairs, and Harry tries to reach it with his wand from under the invisibility cloak. Now, think about this. At this point, Harry had already completed the first task, summoning his broomstick from inside the castle. Why the heck wouldn't he do an "Accio" and summon the map, instead of trying to reach it with his wand? He already knows the charm, and it is still too fresh in his memory for him to overlook it.

This qualifies as a very big plot hole as it resulted in Barty Crouch Jr. getting hold of the map, which he later uses to spot and kill his father, Barty Crouch Sr. If he didn't have the map, Barty Crouch Sr. would have met Dumbledore and told him all about his death eater son as the fake Mad-Eye. Harry wouldn't have been transported to the graveyard, and Voldemort wouldn't have regained power. Maybe Crouch would even have disclosed Voldemort and Wormtail's location, and they would have been caught.

If only Harry had used the summoning charm...

Shradha Sinha

Why don't Fred and George ever notice Peter Pettigrew? Why doesn't Harry, for that matter?

But the twins more so, because they have had two-and-a-half years to notice that there's a strange man sleeping with their brother. What gives?

I think there are a few things going on here. Firstly, it might not be that clear on a map exactly how close people are. There's only a certain amount of room for names, so things will probably get nudged out of place a bit. Therefore, it might not be clear Ron and Peter are in the same bed, just the same room. And how interested would Fred and George really be in Ron's dorm-mates? It's not like 'Peter Pettigrew' would necessarily ring any bells for them. Though Gryffindor House is fairly small, so they might think it was a little odd. 

The other thing is that Fred and George are using the map to get around the castle and avoid trouble (ie. teachers, Filch, Mrs Norris). They probably just aren't that interested in Ron's sleeping arrangements. Why would they be looking at Gryffindor Tower at all? After their first year (before Ron even starts) they are probably only using the map to check for trouble. They've probably pretty much learnt the secret passages. So it's open map, no Snape, do what you need to do, get out.

Lupin only notices because he is watching Harry, Ron and Hermione in case they sneak out. There are over a thousand people on the map. You aren't going to be looking at all of them.


The sheer amount of stupidly powerful spells, potions and magical items in the Harry Potter universe that never get used to their full potential is a bit maddening. Ranging from Felix Felicis (that allows you to literally achieve anything you want) to port keys (allowing you to kidnap people by having them accidentally touch an everyday item) to the Imperius Curse (allowing you to have anybody else do anything you want from him) to the Vanishing Spell (vanishing animate or inanimate objects) or Baruffio's Brain Elixir (a potion increasing one's brain power). 

Some of these things are supposed to be rare, while others are used every day. Either way, it begs the question: why they are not used more often in the wizarding world, especially when it comes to crucial plot points?


When Hagrid and Harry depart from the island on Harry's birthday, they have this little exchange: "How did you get here?" Harry asked, looking around for another boat. "Flew," said Hagrid.

But how did he fly? It's not like he can do Voldemort's bat trick. He states in The Order of the Phoenix, "I don' fly, meself. Well, look at the size o' me, I don' reckon there's a broomstick that'd hold me." He does say that he can ride Abraxian horses, but Hogwarts doesn't have any, and Thestrals would probably be too small. 

I'm sure you've thought of the obvious solution here. Hagrid flew in on his motorcycle (the one Sirius gave him). When Hagrid flies, that's generally how he does it. Harry doesn't hear anything to suggest the motorcycle was flying in, but possibly the storm drowned it out. I agree this is almost certainly how Hagrid arrived, but what happened to the bike? Did it fly back on its own? Is it weirdly sentient like the Ford Anglia? Did someone summon it back? It's certainly not on the island when they leave.

Also, they leave the Dursley's stranded on a remote island because they take the only boat.


"The troll is in the dungeons."

"All students please return to your dormitories."



Say you are a wizard. You probably know at least 100 spells. While some require precise wand movements and concentration, we never get an indication in the books that spells consume anything or quickly drain you of energy.

Ergo, there is no limit to casting them.

Advanced wizards can even cast spells without reciting them and there are countless examples throughout the books of how certain spells can be cast almost instantly.

So, in any magic fight, why would you hold back?

Instead of, say, sending an Expelliarmus at Dolohov, why not do the following in roughly 30 seconds? (Aimed at different opponents.)

Protego - Expelliarmus - Expelliarmus - Expelliarmus - Confringo - Confringo - Stupefy - Stupefy - Incendio - Incendio - Protego

While it is established in The Goblet of Fire that the Unforgiveable Curses require concentration and power (Mad-Eye Moody says: "You could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nose bleed...") this is not the case for most other spells.

Harry is exhausted after practicing Accio dozens/hundreds of times for his first trial in Goblet of Fire, but thats to be expected. There seems to be no other proof in the books of casting having these kind of limits.

Of course, wizards like Dumbledore could still keep a powerful shield charm up and block the entire barrage, but in a room full of people it would make more sense to cast as many spells as quickly as possible so youre bound to hit someone.

Its actually rather similar to combat in real-life. On a battlefield, you dont lock yourself in a duel with one guy and send one bullet his way. No, you try to suppress the enemy or overwhelm them with superior force.

Now, dont get me wrong, I do believe that the magic fights and duels we see in the books and movies are superior to these chaotic barrages (although I would have liked to see a slightly higher frequency of casting spells). However, what Rowling should have done is establish her magic system early on and impose some more limits to it. Thats the big error here.

Bas Leijser

How is Ron able to imitate Parseltongue? Throughout the series, a big deal is made of Harry being able to speak snake. Only the evilest of evil wizards are supposed to be able to speak the tongue, and it is considered very dark magic in the wizard world. Later we find out that Harry automatically got the ability as he had part of Voldemort's soul inside him

And then in the last book, Ron somehow imitates the words Harry spoke to get the chamber of secrets to open. Just like that. No evil wizardly black magic stuff. Just imitating the sounds just like with any other language. Which makes me think... what was the big deal with Parseltongue again? 

If a teenager can mimic and learn the language by memorizing the sound (which is how every language is learnt orally) why can't all the thousands of wizards who are Voldemort supporters and from Slytherin not learn and take pride in this language? Heck, all Slytherin households should have compulsory Parseltongue home schooling. It would also be a great secret language among themselves which the good guys couldn't crack. 


House points in Harry Potter really don't make much sense. In the first 3 books (they're hardly mentioned after that) people are furious with Harry, Ron and Hermione for losing them 100s of house points. In real life, hardly any of the students would care about some arbitrary points system set up by teachers, but would think Harry, Ron and Hermione are heroes for smuggling dragons or sneaking out at night. Why would a brat like Malfroy care if he got house points?


To me, it's odd that everyone always approaches situations where they meet someone else in good faith, assuming that person is who they say they are. Transfiguration and Polyjuice Potion are used repeatedly throughout the series to create convincing disguises, and yet people still don't reach the obvious conclusions when their best friends or significant others are acting strangely.

It's always just, "Hey what's gotten into you today?" Not, "Uh, are you really who you say you are, or are you using one of the many widely known ways of taking on the appearance of another person?"

I realize that things like Polyjuice and Transfiguration are fairly complex potions/spells, but it seems like most of the wizards we meet are at least aware of them, and they're used so frequently throughout the series that people should at least approach situations with more skepticism than we see.


The killing curse kills you in a flash of green light and you crumple on the spot. You are definitely not thrown like a rag doll from the Astronomy tower. Unless you are Dumbledore. 

Arunabh Saxena

Snakes. Dont. Have. Ears. Honestly, snakes have very poor hearing. Yes, they can hear sounds but not the sounds an eleven year old boy can make with his voice. Snakes are limited to a 80Hz to 600Hz range. Thats like the sounds you hear coming from one of those cars with oversize speakers when you have your windows rolled up.

This pretty much makes a mess of the whole Parlseltongue business. Hissing is something snakes do, but snakes cant hear the hissing of other snakes. Snakes might be charmed by low notes on a cello but certainly not an oboe!

Richard Omer

A Secret Keeper is basically somebody who becomes the living embodiment of a secret. One of the biggest involvements of Secret Keepers in the story is in the murder of James and Lily Potter. Voldemort was unable to find the two of them because they had cast the Fidelus Charm and their location was protected. They chose to make Peter Pettigrew their Secret Keeper and were later betrayed by Pettigrew who ratted (pun!) them out to Voldemort, leading to James and Lily being killed.

Several questions here.

Why could James and Lily not have made one of themselves the Secret Keepers? Later on in the books, we find that Bill (Weasley) was made a Secret Keeper for Shell Cottage, and Arthur was made a Secret Keeper for Aunt Muriels place. So, why couldnt James or Lily have been their own Secret Keepers?

Also, if for some reason they could not be their own Secret Keepers, why did they choose Peter with such crucial information? Why not Sirius or Remus? I would say that James was definitely closer to Sirius than he was to Peter, right? The explanation given was that everybody would suspect Sirius to be their Secret Keeper and target him, and torture the information out of him. However, in Pottermores Book 3, Rowling wrote that, The secret cannot be forced, bewitched or tortured out of a Secret Keeper who does not wish to give up their secret; it must be given voluntarily.

If this is correct, why would they pick Peter and not Sirius or Remus who, I imagine, they trusted more than Peter even if he was a close friend. It would have been the safest with Sirius. Or if not with someone in their friend group, why not a powerful and trusted witch like Minerva or someone like that?

Another issue I have with this: if Dumbledore had narrowed down the two boys in the prophecy to Harry and Neville, why didnt he just have both their parents hidden away and make himself their Secret Keeper? I assume that would have kicked Voldemorts plans right in the bucket, no? NO?!

James and Lilys deaths are really what kicks this entire story off. Its a little odd to have this weird dichotomy present in the events surrounding their deaths.

Sagnik Guha

I always wanted to know why Hermione didn't just use the Time Turner to also take more naps so she wasn't so strung out.


Sources: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5

Some of this material has been edited for clarity.

Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?

You're not the only one.

u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?

Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.

I Know What I Like


My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.

The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.

- AardvarkAndy

A Stair Step

My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.

- RazerWolf04

My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.

- Apples9308


My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.

We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.

- FormalMango


I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.

My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.

- dontcryformegiratina


With an ex:

"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."

She did not understand this.

I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.

"Now how much do you have in your hand?"

She still didn't understand.

She somehow has a college degree.

- Speedly

Mini Wheats

When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.

- shicole3



I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.

- CorrectionalChard

That's Unfair

My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.

His answer was that I was being unfair.

- ShyAcorn

Pure Masochism

How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."

To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.

- argofire

Emailing NASA

A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.

- derawin07

A Non-Standard Ruler? 

I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.

Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.

7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.

Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.

Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.

- Lovelocke

This Unusual Vegan Argument

Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.

He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.

That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."

Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.

Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.

- onlytruebertos

Monty Python

In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.

It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.

- Skrivus

Albert or Arnold


Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?

- Gerrard1995

Below Sea Level

I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.

I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.

This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.

- -justforclout-


Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.

Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.

An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.

I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.

- TK-DuVeraun

Whales Are Mammals

I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.

- kawaii_psycho451


Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.

- sun_phobic

Shower Schedule

My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.

- LibrarianGovernment

No Balloons For Grandma

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.

He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.

He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

- Dskee02

Spontaneous Dolphin Existence


How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.

- thebeststory

Male Chickens

I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.

- bee_zah

Lightning McQueen

Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.

- 23071115

But ... Ice Floats

Waiter/Host here.

Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.

Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.

- FarWoods

Time Zones Exist

Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.

- JustARegularToaster


My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?"

"that's orange"

"no, it's red"



It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

- droneb2hive

Andre 2000?


I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)

The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.

The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.

It was stupid.

- P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D

Stars Like Our Sun

I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.


Richard Nixon

I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.

I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.

Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.


Balloon to Heaven

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.

And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.


Binder Clips

I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.

He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.

It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.



Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".

My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.




3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.

I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.


Lingerie Boxes

Late to the party, but there it is.

I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.

Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.


Wicked Witch of the West

I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.

I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.


Keep Your Hands to Yourself

Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.

They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.

So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.



My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.

I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.

We didn't speak to each other for four days.



How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).

How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.


Dogs and Chocolate


I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.

I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.


Is water wet?

My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.

For the record, it is no to both questions.


Mission Trip

A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.

He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.


Dragon Tales

One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.

It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.


Green Or Yellow?

When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.

Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.


Stars In Their Multitude


I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".

I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.



My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.


Hot Water

About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.

She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.

We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.


Biology Class

I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"

I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.

I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...


Solid Or Liquid?

Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.

For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.