Business Owners Whose Startups Failed Reveal What They Did Wrong

"Don't Follow In My Footsteps."

Anyone that's brave enough to leave the large, corporate world America's built and start their own business is deserving of praise. It's not easy to step away from a guaranteed safety net provided by a large corporation and think, "I can offer something customers are willing to buy!" Sometimes, you're successful. And other times....you're these people.

Reddit user, u/nintendo_shill, wanted to know about what people who failed at their own businesses learned when they asked:

People who failed at launching a business or startup, what did you do wrong?

Terrible Workers, Better Friends

Hired friends.

Didn't do that this time around. Worked out.

All_Seeing_Fries

Research Oversaturation

Entered an over saturated market with zero business, marketing or sales experience.

In hindsight, my chosen niche wasn't specific enough. I've had a follow up idea from the experience I had, but I have zero intention of actually executing it.

EthicMeta

Be Prepared To Lose For A Bit

Yep. Self-funded and thought I was being "responsible" by not getting investors. I was profitable (just barely) after 14 months, but was looking at the next several years of ups and downs and was killing my relationship with my husband and my health. If I'd had another $50K we probably could have survived.

Starting another venture as we speak but am looking for an investor and putting a small salary in for myself right up front.

alegria122

What's Great In Small Doses May Not Be Great In Large

A friend was a legendary home brewer in my area and decided to start his own commercial brewery after he retired. Apparently commercial brewing is a totally different animal than home brewing, and his recipes that were amazing in 5-10 gallon batches now tasted like crap when they are brewed on a larger scale. He doesn't know the business very well either, so he's failing to get the right connections and contracts to get his beer out there.

He's not out of business just yet, but he's privately confided to me that he can only keep the doors open for another month or two. It's a shame because he put a good chunk of his nest egg into the business.

urgehal666

Be Aware Of Your Mental Health

Convinced myself that quitting my job and becoming a one-man band IT technician was a great idea.

Except I live in the middle nowhere and there was already excessive competition.

In reality, it was an excuse, I needed to quit working at my current job and grieve the death of my father. But at the time I couldn't accept that I was not mentally well and couldn't work, I had pressure to keep working from my employer as well so lied to them and myself. I spent a month "running my business" before deciding I'd develop a drug habit; was about one month away from being homeless before sorting my sh-t. So my "business" was actually just an excuse to go away and grieve. This was 3 years ago doing amazing now, no drug habit and just got hired as a dev ops engineer =)

Gaunts

Protect Your Spark

I mushroomed. I started an online business in my bedroom which grew to be the largest of its kind in the country, went from one laptop in my bedroom to over a million sales in 3 years and shipped globally. 6 years later I was answering emails one after the other for at least 10-12 hours a day, had 9 full time employees. At the ripe old age of 21 I got ambitious and expanded, took over warehousing, launched 3 sister brands under the same umbrella and by 25 I was burnt out, mentally and physically and had lost that spark. You can always keep pushing but when that spark fades it is the hardest thing in the world to reignite. 5 years later and Im trying to rekindle it for round 2 but next time I know how to do it.

con101smd

Always Be On The Lookout

I started an independent engineering consultant firm that was made up of only me. Turns out I spent so much time trying to get old customers to pay me, that I didn't spend enough time looking for new customers.

Side note: I will never ever sign a contract with an "Art Collective" ever again. They agreed to pay me a flat rate ($5000) to automate a project they were building that involved some motors spinning some disks or something. The job took me maybe 4 hours not counting the travel (but hey they agreed to a flat rate). They never sold the piece and never paid me, even though my contract had no language tying my compensation to project success.

Anyway they dissolved the "Collective" and reopened it under a new name... and I never got my money. Repeat that story about 4 more times and I went back to working for someone else.

Optimized_Orangutan

Leave Family Out Of It

I got the wrong investor....my dad.

My dad was the kind of parent who couldn't trust me, and unfortunately still thinks he's a fellow kid who totally understands today's tech scene when he's.......well. Let's just say his idea of a great app is to load everything with ads, create 50 unnecessary additional steps to force everyone to see what our app can do, and oh...the 80s silver, blue & yellow gradient effect everywhere.

eraser_dust

Be Mindful Of Your Naïveté

I was too naive. As an engineer, I just wanted to build a product for the customer and then hope that it would sell itself and I would be on my Merry way. So I built dispatching software for a local truck company. After I finish building it out, I do some research and there are at least 10 other competitors with better fetaures and have been around longer.

Then I try cold calling other truck companies in the hopes of selling my software to them. Lo and behold, they were already using a competitor's software to power their operations. I also had to price myself lower in order to try to be a compelling offering. So now, here I am with 1 customer getting paid $150 a month.

In essence, I f-cked up in not doing enough research, not coming up with a more unique product, trying to be 5% better that competitors, not being able to get help on the sales end, and much more. The only thing I did well was to build good software.

Now, I wake up everyday depressed, not knowing what the right next step is, running out of money and time. The hardest part is the loneliness of it all. I miss having a team.

bouldurer

ORRRRR, Just Listen To This Person

Accountant here:

See plenty of people coming in to make a go of a small business. Over the years, here's the biggest failures I see repeatedly:

  1. Franchises. There are zero franchises designed to get YOU rich. They're designed to get the franchise COMPANY rich. Someone figured out years ago they can skip the equipment headaches, issues with remodeling, employee hiring/liability/benefits, etc. by selling it off to some poor sap. The poor sap then is forced to act as the location manager because they've typically sunk a large amount of retirement money/money borrowed from family into it and they simply cannot walk away.
  2. Selling stuff in a retail storefront. Unless you have a slam-dunk super-awesome super unique product not available in wal-mart or on Amazon, you're gonna have a hard time. Consumers are highly price conscious and will happily shop elsewhere if they can get it 10% cheaper or buy it when they purchase groceries. Piggybacking on the retail....
  3. Do some math before jumping into it. Say I want to open a muffin shop, and I sell muffins for $3 and they cost me $1 to make, so $2 profit a muffin. Yay! Now, my rent is $2,000 a month and other fixed costs are another $1,000 a month, so I need to sell enough muffins to make $3,000 in profit, so that's 1,500 muffins. It I'm open 30 days a month, that's 50 muffins a day, which isn't bad. But, say I need to hire two employees to help out, because I don't want to work 120 hours a week. You're in a big city, so you need to pay a decent wage of $15/hr for 160 hours a month each, so that's another (2 X 160 X 15) = $4,800 in wages, so that's ANOTHER 2,400 muffins to sell with your $2 profit, so now you're needing to sell 3,900 muffins a month. AND THAT'S JUST TO BREAK EVEN. How much is your time worth? And how many more muffins would you need to sell to cover the debt you incurred to get the business started? Say you gave up a job making $4,000 a month - that's ANOTHER 2,000 muffins to sell to just get you to your old salary. So now you're up to 5,900 muffins, and if you're open 30 days a month, it's around 200 muffins a day, and if you're open 12 hours a day, that's 17 muffins an hour. You think that's going to happen? Better be sure. And better be sure you know what expenses you're going to have, because running a small business in an exercise in frustration as you get nickel-and-dimed to death.
  4. Edit:

    4) GET EVERYTHING IN WRITING. Renting property? Get a signed, written lease. Going in with a friend/partner? Get a written agreement, AND get written down the work/profit expectations. Hiring a contractor? Get a written agreement in place. Employee? Get a signed employment agreement, AND take the time to have a written policy manual.

    Edit #2:

    5) Spend a few bucks and meet with a lawyer/accountant BEFORE you open the doors. Yeah, it will set you back a bit. HOWEVER, it will save you TONS of headaches down the road. Lawyer will help with #4 above. Accountant will help with what/how to keep records, tax laws, payroll, etc. Side note: If you don't know how to do payroll, just pay someone to do it. You screw up payroll, the IRS/state agencies will crash down on you like a ton of bricks. You owe the IRS $10k in income taxes? It's surprising how long they let you slide before they really give a sh-t. You owe the IRS $10k in PAYROLL taxes? They're on your a-- like a rat on a Cheeto.

    Abbithedog

    H/T: Reddit

    Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?

    You're not the only one.

    u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?

    Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.

    I Know What I Like

    Giphy

    My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.

    The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.

    - AardvarkAndy

    A Stair Step

    My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.

    - RazerWolf04

    My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.

    - Apples9308

    Saturdays

    My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.

    We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.

    - FormalMango

    Iraq

    I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.

    My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.

    - dontcryformegiratina

    $40

    With an ex:

    "I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."

    She did not understand this.

    I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.

    "Now how much do you have in your hand?"

    She still didn't understand.

    She somehow has a college degree.

    - Speedly

    Mini Wheats

    When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.

    - shicole3

    Crayons

    Giphy

    I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.

    - CorrectionalChard

    That's Unfair

    My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.

    His answer was that I was being unfair.

    - ShyAcorn

    Pure Masochism

    How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."

    To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.

    - argofire

    Emailing NASA

    A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.

    - derawin07

    A Non-Standard Ruler? 

    I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.

    Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.

    7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.

    Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.

    Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.

    - Lovelocke

    This Unusual Vegan Argument

    Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.

    He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.

    That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."

    Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.

    Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.

    - onlytruebertos

    Monty Python

    In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.

    It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.

    - Skrivus

    Albert or Arnold

    Giphy

    Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?

    - Gerrard1995

    Below Sea Level

    I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.


    I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.

    This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.

    - -justforclout-

    Tomash

    Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.

    Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.


    An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.

    I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.

    - TK-DuVeraun

    Whales Are Mammals

    I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.

    - kawaii_psycho451

    Microwaves

    Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.

    - sun_phobic

    Shower Schedule

    My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.

    - LibrarianGovernment

    No Balloons For Grandma

    My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.

    He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.

    He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

    - Dskee02

    Spontaneous Dolphin Existence

    Giphy

    How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.

    Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.

    - thebeststory

    Male Chickens

    I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.

    - bee_zah

    Lightning McQueen

    Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.

    - 23071115

    But ... Ice Floats

    Waiter/Host here.

    Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.

    Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.

    - FarWoods

    Time Zones Exist

    Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.

    - JustARegularToaster

    Colorblind

    My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

    "Hey could you hand me that red _____?"

    "that's orange"

    "no, it's red"

    "orange"

    "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW"

    It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

    - droneb2hive

    Andre 2000?

    Giphy

    I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)


    The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.

    The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.

    It was stupid.

    - P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D

    Stars Like Our Sun

    I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.

    fox_boi2

    Richard Nixon

    I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.


    I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.

    Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.

    grumblecakes1

    Balloon to Heaven

    My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.

    And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

    Dskee02

    Binder Clips

    I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.

    He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.

    It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.

    justantherredditgirl

    Jewish

    Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".

    My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.

    Aslkurloz

    Nutella

    Giphy

    3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.

    I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.

    vault_tec_redditor

    Lingerie Boxes

    Late to the party, but there it is.

    I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.

    Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.

    Meh75

    Wicked Witch of the West

    I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.

    I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.

    weirdatwork2017

    Keep Your Hands to Yourself

    Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.

    They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.

    So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.

    Frisby2007

    Telekinesis

    My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.

    I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.

    We didn't speak to each other for four days.

    dude_bizarro

    Ghosts

    How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).


    How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.

    Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.

    thebeststory

    Dogs and Chocolate

    Giphy

    I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.

    I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.

    KlutzyHedgehog

    Is water wet?

    My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.

    For the record, it is no to both questions.

    SFCopperhead

    Mission Trip

    A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.

    He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.

    SirRogers

    Dragon Tales

    One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.

    It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.

    MistalQueensglaive

    Green Or Yellow?

    When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.

    Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.

    BugsRatty

    Stars In Their Multitude

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    I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".

    I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.

    theedjman

    Colorblind

    My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

    "Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".

    It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

    droneb2hive

    Hot Water

    About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.

    She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.

    We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.

    moniker5000

    Biology Class

    I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"

    I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.

    I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...

    10d4plus8

    Solid Or Liquid?

    Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.

    For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.

    ScreamingPotoo