Employees Reveal What Management Has Done That Instantly Killed Morale

Upper management... get a pen and paper!

It's an arduous task being in upper management. You have a ton of company responsibility on your shoulders plus employees to shepherd. But your employees are not your children or your servants.

A true leader leads with compassion and sets the tone of the community. Treating your staff like less than will only bring down morale which will lead to a decline in productivity. Just because you have a title doesn't mean you're better than anyone else.

Redditor kraam1217 wondered What's something your employer did that instantly killed employee morale?

50. Out with the trash!


I work in a big corporate building. The same older lady came by everyone's desk towards the end of the day to collect the trash. Just the sweetest lady ever and every time she'd walk to my desk she'd give me a big smile and ask me how my day was and chat for a minute as she got my trash (usually I'd dump it in for her). I had some rough days but she has a way to cheer me up and send me home on a higher note. I know I'm not the only one either.

So then a few weeks back our work implemented a new policy to 'cut down on trash usage.' It's no longer allowed to have a trash bin at our desk and we have to walk across the room and use the community trash to throw anything away. Not a huge deal but the real reason they did it is so they can cut down on cost... the cleaning crew.

Sad to say that I haven't seen Sharon since.


49. Teachers always know best!

This school wanted to switch to Chromebooks. So what did they do? One summer while teachers weren't working, they removed every single Windows station and replaced them with Chromebooks to be issued to teachers. They were told to "figure it out."

When teachers came up and asked how they could teach Photoshop, programming, AutoCAD 3d modeling, etc., admin basically googled their program name plus "Chromebook extension" and told them "see? There's an extension for it and it works!" I don't think I have to add that it did not work.

They ended up bringing back the desktops for most teachers.


48. Karma Karma Karma Karma Chameleon...


Boss Pitched a sales incentive trip to Cancun if the team hit the goal. My team exceeded the goal, and then they cancelled the trip. 2 people quit, I accepted a position with their main competitor, and less than a year later, they closed in bankruptcy. Karma's a beach.


47. I'm Vomiting...

Put up a poster that said "Complaining is like vomiting. You feel better but everyone around you feels sick." The morale was already bad but it was just a crappy way to take a hit at upset employees rather than do anything positive.


46. Survivor : CSC Edition...


I was one of a large number of programmers working on a project at CSC. We had a deadline coming up in a couple months and they over-promised to the client and then asked us all to work extra hard to meet the deadline, and asked us to work 50+ hour weeks. Which we did - and then some: some of us put in 70-80 hour weeks to meet this deadline.

But once that deadline was met, suddenly there was another deadline they needed to meet. And another. People got tired, had lives to lead, and scaled back on their hours. Most of us were still working 50-60 hours a week, but not a lot more than that.

Once they realized we weren't killing ourselves on their project any longer, there was an All Hands meeting where the managers told us that they were incredibly disappointed in our lack of professionalism because so comparatively few employees were now working more than fifty hours a week.

One of our harder workers stood up and said, "Look, I have three kids. I'm driving an hour into and out of work every day, I'm taking care of my family, I'm trying to get presents for Christmas, write out Christmas cards, decorate and clean the house for everyone we're having over for the holidays - I'm having a really hard time just getting to fifty."

And the manager looked at her and sneered, "If it wasn't Christmas, it'd be because it's Easter, or Memorial Day, or because it's summer and it's nice out. You'd always have some excuse."

There was dead silence in the room.

When we left that meeting, we didn't talk to each other, but every single worker on that project put in exactly fifty hours a week after that. Then came Christmas - raise and bonus time! Every worker on the project got a 1/2 percent raise; the managers got a five-figure bonus. We were pissed.

For management, the pain came after Christmas. First week off the year, four programmers had better jobs lined up and quit. Three more the following week. Five the next. We hemorrhaged 3-5 programmers every single week for over three months. It got to the point where the managers had to schedule a meeting every Monday at eleven to discuss that week's resignations and rearrange the surviving staff.


45. Really? That's your actual plan?


  1. Bought a manufacturing plant.
  2. Fired everyone.
  3. Tried to hire them back for $2 less ActualWhiterabbit

44. Smart. Make it about you...

I once had a retail manager who sent out a memo that we worked so hard and did such a great job this month that she gets a bonus. That went over like a lead balloon.


43. Excuse me?


I told the hiring manager that I was disappointed in one of his hires because he knew literally NOTHING about our job and asked him "doesn't that cheapen my knowledge and expertise?"

His response: "Well, let's be honest, your job doesn't really need all that, does it?"

There were four other people my level, with varying fields of expertise, at that meeting, and it got real quiet after that.

42. Ha Ha... fooled you!

Telling employees that they are going to fire you if you don't make more sales. Then when someone quits tell them naww that was just motivation. We were never going to fire you.


41. The poop is hitting the fan!


Small business. 20 employees. Boss made a big speech about austerity measures and no raises this year. A week and a half later he drives up in a brand new Silverado with all the bells and whistles. Expensed to the business of course. He would hate to have to pay taxes on those profits. One of the less subtle members of the staff took a literal poop in front of his office door.


40. Put down the blow sweaty...


I worked at a club in Miami and the owner was out of his damn mind (years of drug abuse).. when the housing market crashed obviously people were spending far less going out but he insisted we were all stealing. We had meetings once a week with all kinds of threats. Finally he put in an automatic pouring system for 50k+, it basically looks like you're pouring drinks from a soda gun, super boring. The fun vibe and flair we had was totally gone which made sales drop even more. He ripped the system out two weeks later.


39. Don't touch my coffee. No, don't play!

Former teacher. The administrators at my school were usually pretty chill, but had a habit of randomly coming up with minor rules that they would enforce for us (male teachers had to wear ties even on jeans day, etc.). Overall it wasn't bad, except for the time an administrator made a crucial mistake... they banned staff from drinking coffee in front of students.

Now if you've never worked in a school, you'd think this isn't a big deal. When you spend nearly 100% of your day in front of students, it definitely is a big deal.

First we tried to find any loophole we could. Energy drinks? Banned the next week. Tea? Banned two days later. It was chaos. Eventually, we realized they couldn't fire an entire school's worth of teachers and aides, so we ended up doing the one thing that private schools fear most: we formed a union.

Realistically, it was more of a weird pseudo-union focused specifically on civil disobedience regarding the coffee issue, but it ruffled feathers nonetheless. The administrators caved to our "demands," allowed us to drink coffee again, and even bought each of us a reusable coffee mug as a gesture of goodwill. And that's the story of how a handful of school administrators almost accidentally created a teachers union over a complete non-issue.


38. Sounds like somebody needs a friend...


She actively tried to ban friendships. If co-workers became friendly she would schedule them so they would NEVER see each other. "You're here to work! Not to socialize!"

She also banned everyone from coming into the workplace when they were not working. It was a pub. She banned socializing in a pub.


37. Shady dirtbags!

Told a bunch of people they were going to be promoted to get us to do extra work, no one got promoted. I basically did her job for a month. Me and three of my co-workers quit and she got fired a few months later.


36. Shake, Shake, Shake Senora...


Had a boss everyone loved, then she got transferred to another store and the new guy that replaced her decided the schedule that we'd all gotten used to needed to be "shaken up." He posted the next week schedule that was completely different than it had been under the previous manager, got a bunch of complaints from people saying they can't work x days or y times and it SEEMED he was receptive since he took that schedule down. Then suddenly BAM, he just reposted the same exact schedule and said screw everyone.

Oh, we had some people calling in sick from time to time under the old manager, but this new manager has pretty much half his crew every single day calling out because of his crappy tactics.

Here's the first thing to learn about being a good manager...you don't need to "shake things up" for people to be better workers. You don't need to "put your mark" on anything if it's working just fine the way it was.


35. Better Clean Up.... 

I used to work at an English immersion middle school in Korea. The admin was all Korean, including my boss, the vice principal. Word started going around that the school was under investigation for certain admin taking bribes to admit students. The VP got visibly anxious for a few weeks. Then one Sunday night we got a text message from one of the Korean teachers at the school: "The vice principal has passed away." It turns out he had hung himself in the school lobby that afternoon. The teaching staff still had to be at school the next morning even though classes were canceled for several days. I remember walking into the school and seeing a custodian mopping the spot where the VP had been hanging. Morale tanked pretty hard for a while.


34. I will reclaim my time....

Held a super positive, pep rally style company wide meeting about how they were going to start combining our sick days with our vacation days and now just call them 'PTO.' This was presented to us as a great thing, since we could all now use our PTO days fully as vacation days if we wanted to. Once the system was implemented, everyone realized that instead of getting 10 vacation days and 10 sick days per year, we now all had 15 PTO days. Everyone was pissed.


33. We will rise against you!!


I have 2!

Company 1: Cancelled the Christmas party and Christmas bonuses for the whole company because we "didn't have the money for it." I found out later the CEO and the CTO used company funds to take a week-long ski vacation in Whistler instead of doing something nice for the employees. You better believe I spread that evidence around the office.

Company 2: It's not one specific incident, but my current company in the last couple years switched from guaranteed permanent employment for anyone who worked there long enough to a system of permanent contract labor for a huge section of their workforce. Rumblings of unionization have started amongst the contract workers...


32. Ah this is "Push-it!"


In a company of 6 people, owner said in a meeting with everyone that his 2 sales guys are irreplaceable and that the rest of us are "just paper pushers."


31. Save it for Dr. Phil y'all!

Had a big fight with his wife in front of everybody. I don't think you should run a restaurant with your family members unless you're really solid with each other.


30. More work, less supplies... 

At an airplane factory: manager started rationing gloves, hairnets, masks, and trash bags at the same time we had to go on a 12x6 workweek, like that was gonna make up for the increase in labor. Reddit

29. Save the Crew...

They got rid of their night cleaning crew the week after I started and we had to learn how to clean the whole department on our own before close. I work in a meat department so this meant taking apart and cleaning 2 meat grinders and a band saw that were covered with meat goop. Almost the whole department quit because of this, but I stuck around and got the hang of it. After about 3 months though they hired the cleaning crew back. Now closing is a breeze. woollydogs

28. Every pinched penny counts... 

I went to work for a company that I had wanted to work at for 4 years. I had friends who worked there, they were growing and profitable and they had lots of fun events and great perks. A real start up type environment. When they finally hired me the company had just started in on the fringes of losing money. The monthly lunches became monthly snacks became quarterly snacks. The appreciation for service awards dropped all of the prize money (they used to give $100 gift card per year worked). Management started being crankier and more stressed out. Budgets shrunk.

But ALL OF THAT was ok with me. I still believed in the company and it's leadership and I know that businesses have good years and bad years. Then they did the one thing that sent every talented and sought after employee heading for the door. They killed bonuses. Not company performance bonuses, personal performance bonuses.

When I was hired 10% of my pay was negotiated to be based on personal performance. They changed it so that all bonuses were only based on the company hitting its financial targets. Which they didn't. They didn't even announce it company wide or have an all hands meeting. They made each manager tell their head counts during our annual quarterly reviews. I was told by my manager that he "didn't work for or expect the bonus, that's why it's called a bonus."

So I said goodbye to my 10% pay cut and hello to a 25% raise somewhere else. computerdickles

27. Killing a Legacy...

I worked at a family owned market that was well known and loved by locals. The owners were a lovely couple that took care of their employees and would bend over backwards for their customers. They were very active in the community and highly respected. They had a few core employees and would hire on temp staff during the summer and holidays. The temps were mostly high schoolers and college kids that were home on break.

They would bring back the same people as long as they could and the kids would try to stay as long as they could. The pay was well above market for those positions, we could shop the and get a 75% discount, after six months you got two weeks paid vacation, and the owners would close the store a couple days a year and host a party for all of the employees. It was the best job any high schooler in the area could get. I lived right next to the store and my parents were friends with the owners so I was given a job there. All my friends were jealous.

After working there for a few years, the couple decided they wanted to retire to spend time with their daughter and her children in another state. Many tears were shed and they had a huge retirement party where they introduced their son to everyone and told us he was taking over. They gushed about his prestigious business education and background.

As soon as they were gone, the son decided he was going to remake the store in his image. He fired basically all the staff, most of whom that had been there for 10 to 15+ years. He then staffed the whole place with homeschool kids and junkies. He cut the discounts and vacations. He hired some old high school friends to manage the place so he could take the profits to go party and get coked out.

The shop went from having the same staff for years to having to retrain an entirely new staff every other month. No one wanted to stay. Managers were reporting perfectly good product as damaged and taking it home. Shelves sat empty. Locals stopped shopping there. The place became a corpse of what it had been. The original owners had enough of their friends complain to them about their son that they came back for a short time and tried to make it right, but it was too late. Their original staff had all moved on and vendors had stopped doing business with the store. They decided to close the store, sell the property, and move away permanently. Last I heard, the son was in trouble with the IRS and his wife divorced him when she found him having sex with a stripper. Waffle_Maestro

26. Don't Metric with my bonus....


Changed up the metrics that determined people's bonuses. And included things that were important for the business to know, but completely beyond the control of the people who's bonuses were impacted.

For example, we had a "right party contact" rate -- how many times you actually got the person you were calling vs the number of calls you actually made. The problem was the phone number list came from elsewhere, and the people making the calls were just given a list of numbers, and you had to call them all. No leeway.

So you're calling blind from a list you don't control... and get penalized if the list is crap. Oddly enough, the people in charge of making the phone number lists, their bonuses were not influenced by right party contact rate. Astramancer_

25. Your mom would be disappointed.... 

Fired the girl who was in her third trimester of pregnancy three days before her maternity leave was to start. hisloyalconcubine

My wife was let go after she announced her pregnancy to her manager, and approximately when she would need maternity leave. She was told that they'd rather replace her than deal with a pregnant employee and all that goes with that.

A well worded letter from out attorney got her one year's severance, and two years medical coverage for her and the baby. Scrappy_Larue

24. The "Clique!"

Started firing people by lining two up at a time and seeing which one they prefer to keep on. Didn't matter if you were there for 20 years or 2. Also hiring management from outside and not promoting within which means the new managers have no knowledge of anything that company does in terms of ethics, procedures, or employee status. It has turned this 'clique' type environment into every person for themselves. Very toxic. 1oneself

23. Cherish your True Peeps.... 

Had a worker that worked herself silly for the job. Really loved the venue, loved the clients, loved the work so she would work after clocking off, take work home, go in on weekends. Really just go above and beyond always. We always got incredible feedback from clients and suppliers about her. In our contract it says we're entitled to a 5k raise after being employed for 3 years. At our yearly renewal (having been there for 3.5 years) she asked for the raise.

She was flat out told there was no room in the budget. She could have taken them to fair work commission but instead she just started looking for jobs. She left (got a great position in a great company and is loving it!). The guy they hired to replace her had a quarter of the experience, no love for the job and his annual salary was 10k higher. Most of us have since left and the place is falling to crap. teampocketrockettt

22. Mr. X


Casually said the best employee was X and everyone, including X, knew that X was among those who did the least amount of work.

Edit: X was the most friendly to the boss, always coming in to say "Hi, do you need anything?" hasslemind

21. Deep Breathes....

We were once in the middle of a very stressful period of work, and everyone was feeling it. However, one afternoon, an off-hand comment turned into a conversation that we all got involved with and led to a few laughs. My manager, returning from a meeting, piped up "Oh we've finished tomorrow's work, have we? What's all this about (insert subject matter)." Entire team instantly deflated.

Unnecessary. Every employee needs time to blow off a little steam. mrbasilthebrush

20. You're Mental...

Head of department realized that we weren't about to meet our targets for the financial year. Completely banned annual leave for 3 months, forced anyone who didn't fill in their timesheet on time to attend disciplinary meeting (despite problems with the system meaning that some didn't get filled in) and generally had lower management terrified, causing a massive blame culture and several people to be signed off with mental health issues.

In the end, the employee survey which went to his bosses was hilariously bad, and he's now somewhere else making some other people's lives a misery. The best part was when his replacement came in and fired his right hand man who was also an a**. heystopbanningme

19. Don't be soulless.... 

One of our senior employees asked for a raise because it had been a few years since he had had one and he was doing a great job. Management reviewed his file, realized they could pay one of the new guys half of the salary of experienced guy, fired senior guy, promoted junior dude. They weren't aware of the warehouse dynamic and soon found out that no one liked or wanted to work for or with junior guy, morale dropped a lot. A week later, senior guy committed suicide. Once the warehouse was informed/invited to the funeral, morale reaaalllly dropped and eventually junior guy became so ineffective trying to run the shop that he was fired and the next senior guy just kind of took over without management doing anything about it everything began to run as it had before senior guy was fired. Stazelney

18. No life allowed! 

In a very short span of time, they changed everyone's 401K plan (for worse) and then implemented an office wide cleanliness policy. No eating at your desk. Only 3 personal items on your desk. Everything labeled. No items other than your keyboard, mouse, and monitors on your desk at the end of the day.

Talk about pissed off. You could feel the gloom when you walked in. Everyone's give-a-sh***er broke at once. forman98



Large factory (Not Unionized). Each department clocks in at a different place, mainly that department's breakroom. My department clocked in across the facility from the main entrance, which meant it took about 15 minutes to walk from the front door to where you clocked in and out at, and another 5 to walk from that entrance to the parking lot. There was a side exit that we would use, however, that literally cut that walk down from 20 minutes to 3, since our department was right next to the parking lot.

Management decided that ALL employees must enter and exit through the SAME DOOR. Which meant we had to walk all the way down to the main entrance and then back around to our cars.

There was so much rebellion from the employees in our department that they had to bar the door shut with 2 x 4's. Jokes on them, even unionized employees can be a pain in the butt. We contacted the fire marshall, who upon seeing a fire exit barricaded, fined the company 8,000$

We still were not "allowed" to enter through this door, but they stopped trying to stop us. Lelentos

16. Are you Special?

To cut costs, they started a policy that only certain departments had internet access - it basically started a class system that bred resentment across departments, and caused an exodus from the non-internet teams. VictorBlimpmuscle

15. Fatigue for us all... 

For years I worked in a high stress, high turnover, low paying job doing caregiving for adults with developmental disabilities. These issues are typical in this field, and my company, like many, exploited salaried employees by expecting them to work 50-60 hours regularly and often more. I went months at a time working 70, 80, 90 hour weeks. I stayed through a lot of bull because I loved the folks I served.

Last year, corporate required all managers to attend a mandatory training about Caregiver Fatigue. It made it worse for me to have language to describe the fatigue and burnout I'd been experiencing for years.

Within the meeting, corporate acknowledged that they didn't pay us enough and that many employees we supervised were literally homeless, food insecure, or on the verge of it. But, "increased pay is not on the table right now so let's talk about other things we can do."

They crowdsourced this exhausted group of salaried workers, who suggested things like starting a company food pantry, a company clothing drive, and compiling lists of shelters in the area.

That meeting was so blood-boiling and infuriating to sit through that I made the decision that day it was time to finally get out. I worked my last day for that employer this summer.

I'm still looking for a full time job, and I'm trying to hold out for a company that values my work enough to pay me fairly. In an ideal world, this new company doesn't add insult to injury by mandating training about how to recognize tell-tale signs of being ready to snap.

Hopefully, when I've had some time to recover, I'll be able to come up with some lasting ways to change things in the caregiving industry. These systemic problems will only compound themselves as the baby boomers continue to age. armcandybean

14. Lost a Turn....

Removed COLA raises each year for all employees and implemented a "raise when promoted or take on more responsibility" model. However promotions are very rare and raises are never approved. So everyone is losing money to inflation each year and they tried to sell it as a big 'win' for the employees.

We aren't stupid people. somethingsome567

13. Mood. Killed. 

My boss is looking to retire in the next 3-4 years. He told everyone that he wanted us to come up our visions for the company and it's future over the next 5, 10, 20 years.

We're a small office of about a half dozen people but we've been growing and so everyone brought up growth projections and succession planning once he retires, etc.

His son is the heir apparent and has a precocious 8 year old so in my 20 year version I even included the grandson joining the business and grooming it to become a legacy company.

My boss went last and we were expecting something acknowledging some of our thoughts or at least an expression of appreciation that the company he founded would live on well past his retirement, be in good hands, etc.

Instead it was brutal and short. It was something along the lines of "I do everything around here anyway so I should just sell the company to fund my retirement and you can all find other companies to work for in a few years."

Mood killed. Meeting ended. jmarsh642

12. Don't mess with Fridays....

It was a one two punch.

The company wide meeting announced the promotion of several high level management and executives (mostly title and responsibility changes). Lots of smiles and handshakes, not unlike a college graduation ceremony.

After these promotion announcements, they declared that due to the stagnant economy and poor sales, the entire company would be experiencing a pay freeze as a result. So, no raises for anyone.

They then concluded the meeting by discontinuing "Casual Fridays." So, no more jeans on Friday. It almost felt like it was designed to make people want to quit and leave. It worked though, I and many others moved on to greener pastures within the year.


Edit: To answer some of the questions posed, but without sharing too much personal information, this was a mid sized manufacturing firm in the US around 2010. I moved on to what was the most lucrative job I have ever had as a result of this, so I don't hold any resentment, i just remember it utterly destroyed employee morale that day. If it was the ownership/management's plan to get people to quit, it was pretty stupid, as only the mobile and capable talent moved on, while those incapable of finding another job or the lifers (Who would probably stay on even if the company announced they planned to cut the oxygen supply to the building by 50% to save money) stayed on through it. I can understand the need for promotion to fill positions from vacancies, etc, I can understand the need to have a pay freeze (beats, layoffs right?), but doing the prior two right after each other and then saying, yeah, and no more casual Friday's just seemed really vindictive and malicious. If anything, they should have softened the blow of the pay freeze by saying casual Friday is now everyday, and people would have left the meeting at least neutral if not slightly hopeful. Mister_Relaxo

11. Well if you "PINKY" swear....

This was almost 20 years ago. I was the sole IT guy for a small privately owned research company, specialty was nanoscale doodads for government agencies, NASA, aerospace, that kinda stuff. Had about 80 employees at the time this happened.

We were given performance goals for the company as a whole (rather than individual goals) that if met would get us all a nice bonus. Goals were met. The week we were supposed to get the bonus we had an all hands meeting where the CEO and CFO explained that our bonuses could not be paid right now, but would be paid eventually (pinky swear!). That was a dent to morale for the company but not devastating.

Layoffs started a couple weeks after that, and continued in small batches every couple weeks. Rather than doing what needed to be done up front they just kept laying off a handful of people here and there. It really destroyed everyone's morale wondering who was going this week, who was going next week. Of course after a few of these everyone saw the writing on the wall and there wasn't any good morale left to speak of. By the time I found another job a few months later we were down to 30 some people. Never did get those bonuses.

Worked out for me though, went from 32k to 45k at the new job. And I got to metaphorically laugh in my bosses face when he offered to match that salary after he had turned down a $5K raise I asked for a couple months prior. UnknwnSoldier

10. I'm a mute. 

Banned smart phones in the break room to force us to talk to one another and build camaraderie.

Ends up we didn't like each other that much. laterdude

9. The Secrets Out! 

I worked at a dog daycare center as the assistant manager for a few months. We just started a training class so you would tell us what commands you would like us to teach your dog and we would pull them aside for 1 hour and teach that command with a certified trainer. The service usually cost an extra $45+ on top of your day care visit. Well our trainer quit unexpectedly and the owner asked myself and the other manager to step in as the trainers. We informed him that we did not have the proper certifications and our program promised the customers a certified trainer.

He then told us to bring them in for an hour and have the dog hang out with us in the office and he would tell the parents what they worked on for the day. Needless to say we refused to do so and we were blamed for being non-loyal good for nothing millennials. Well he received six two week notices within one week after I revealed this conversation with the employees. This place only had 10 employees in total. sk8erguysk8er

8. My Time is Valuable... 

Cancelled overtime.

I used to work as a helicopter mechanic for a company primarily in the oil patch. We'd do a 28 on, 14 off rotation in the middle of nowhere, getting up before dawn to prep the helicopter to be flying as soon as the sun came up, fly as needed all day until sundown and then tie down the machine. Typically the day was pretty easy in between, maybe three or four hours of flying so you'd refuel a couple times and take care of incidental stuff like making sure you had enough fuel or maybe going back to camp to grab hot lunches for yourself and the pilot. Overtime was paid out as straight time and the extra 0.5 was banked as paid vacation. It wasn't unusual to work double a standard week for the duration and it was the only thing that really made the travel and long shift rotation worthwhile.

Anyway, after I'd been with the company a few months, they announced that they weren't paying overtime any more except for rare special instances like staying up all night to do a 100 hour inspection. We were expected to basically work a split shift early morning and late evening, and spend the days just sitting in camp doing nothing.

I guess a lot of people were pretty pissed, but I didn't stick around for the fallout - gave my two week notice, which coincided with my two weeks of earned vacation, and said goodbye. el_muerte17

7. The Kill List!

Old folks home kitchen. Maybe 20 staff members. Boss declared we were too happy and made a new set of rules:

° there was to be absolutely no talking, laughing or jokes. The kitchen was to be silent because we were "distracting ourselves from work."

°anyone working less then 9 or 10 hour shifts were forbidden bathroom breaks. Going to the bathroom on a shift with less then 9 or 10 hours was a fireable offense. Permitted Bathroom breaks could not be on the clock. Your lunch must be used to use the bathroom. Lunch breaks were 15 minutes long.

°any communication with management was seen as inappropriate. Staff and management were to be kept separate at all times. (A manager slept with a staff member and it made a big deal. That's why this was made)

°you will not be paid overtime but will be expected to work. If you are to clock out by 8pm but are still needed you must clock out then return to work. Complaints to HR or labor board are fireable offenses. Yes people complained. Yes the place was investigated.

Ex boss was sued. Lost. Morale dropped. They have a hard time keeping employees now and from what I heard most of the new employees are high school students. Ex boss announced a sudden retirement for the end of the year and the kitchen will be taken over by all new people.

I jumped ship early on. Do NOT miss the place. RealAbstractSquidII

6. Make up your minds... 

New store manager took a store that was already operating at profit with happy employees and completely redid a bunch of policies. Where before we were all encouraged to help in any department if we were knowledgable and had time, people started getting written up for wandering too far from their own departments. Getting in trouble for taking overtime to finish assigned task lists in full before leaving, or getting in trouble for leaving on time without finishing the list. Being encouraged by one manager to take over time and they'd approve it then getting in trouble later because said manager never approved the overtime in our systems. Departments that once worked together on similar tasks now barred from helping each other unless directly instructed by management.

A deliveries department that wouldn't fully pick their orders for customers then blame the other departments for not having it available or generally leaving huge messes in those department, never cleaning up after themselves, and the other departments getting in trouble for it. The list goes on. It took about a year to just completely drain that stores morale. Nobody there cares anymore besides the fresh faces new hires because they don't know what it was like before. Voice_Box_1

5. Hope you Drown...


"No raises or bonuses this year due to company performance, but I will make it up to you by taking the whole company to the lake for a trip on my new 30ft boat" NotASucker

4. Where is your Loyalty?

City charter school, lots of community members in aide positions and they kept the school together. About 20 teachers and staff were purged on a Black Friday about a month out from the school year. They were not given letters to return the next year and the place went ballistic. Replacing almost half the staff when really, my principal didn't bother leaving his office and assessing the situations in the classrooms. Instead, he just fired teachers. I left after I was given an offer and he claimed I should "be more loyal to those who gave you an opportunity." Bro, my 4 years of college and teaching license gave me the opportunity, get out of here. DavidMaspanka

3. Un-Brotherly Love.... 

Business had been running for three years and many of the employees had been there from the beginning without getting a pay rise. After some requests the company announced that there would be a review of everyone's pay. Called in each worker to discuss.

Basically they had decided to pay every employee the same amount. This meant that a few got a raise, most stayed the same, and some (who had negotiated better at hiring) had their wages reduced.

Needless to say most employees were unhappy.

Two weeks later the three brothers who owned the business bought themselves two new cars and a second hand Rolls Royce. That was a real slap in the face. Partly_Dave

2. Take Priority.... 

So my SO just had this happen. Working in a call center, she was employee of the month--had some of their highest metrics, etc. She noticed she started getting back-to-back calls while everyone else was getting 15+ minutes of availability. Contacted her boss, her boss's boss, and was continually being reassured that the issue was getting looked into. Her being stressed and overworked went on for 3 months.

Eventually, she messaged the regional manager--and it was fixed the very next day. My acting theory is that one of her managers placed her into a priority queue to make their own stats look better.

But everything worked out, right? Nope. She got an email today stating that she wouldn't be getting her bonus because she was using ACW too much; it's a temporary state you can place yourself in which postpones you being placed into the call queue in order to finish up your work from the previous call. She literally had no choice because she got seconds between calls.

Funny thing? She saved documentation of everything. Threw her managers under the bus, quit, and got another job all in the same day. GhostCorps973

1. See you on YELP Grafton Street... and Ashley! 

I worked at a restaurant with a shit tipped minimum-- $2.63 an hour. We'd be penalized for being even 5 minutes late so lots of us showed up 20-30 min early to make sure we'd avoid the penalty (this is Boston, so that was an appropriate gamble, I've gotten stuck on the T for 10-20 min on NUMEROUS occasions), and we'd just get right to work-- and there's plenty to do when opening a big restaurant.

So we'd clock in and start working-- no one was clocking in and failing to work. In fact I liked getting there early because the kitchen would get up to 113, most of the morning prep occurred in the kitchen and was fairly rigorous, we didn't really air condition and had to wear long sleeved shirts and pants. So I could knock everything out in a tank and shorts, change into my uniform, and not start my shift a sweaty mess.


The manager gave us a big lecture about how it adds up, even if it IS only $2.63 an hour. She made a new rule that we couldn't clock in more than 10 minutes before our shift began, EVEN IF WE WERE WORKING. By the way, that's a 15-minute window of appropriate clocking in time, in Boston, with a notoriously unreliably public transportation system, crazy weather, and over-clogged roads.

F**k Grafton Street and f**k you, Ashley. ConsistentSpot

Basically, learn how to be a better boss.

Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?

You're not the only one.

u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?

Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.

I Know What I Like


My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.

The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.

- AardvarkAndy

A Stair Step

My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.

- RazerWolf04

My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.

- Apples9308


My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.

We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.

- FormalMango


I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.

My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.

- dontcryformegiratina


With an ex:

"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."

She did not understand this.

I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.

"Now how much do you have in your hand?"

She still didn't understand.

She somehow has a college degree.

- Speedly

Mini Wheats

When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.

- shicole3



I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.

- CorrectionalChard

That's Unfair

My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.

His answer was that I was being unfair.

- ShyAcorn

Pure Masochism

How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."

To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.

- argofire

Emailing NASA

A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.

- derawin07

A Non-Standard Ruler? 

I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.

Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.

7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.

Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.

Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.

- Lovelocke

This Unusual Vegan Argument

Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.

He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.

That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."

Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.

Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.

- onlytruebertos

Monty Python

In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.

It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.

- Skrivus

Albert or Arnold


Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?

- Gerrard1995

Below Sea Level

I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.

I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.

This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.

- -justforclout-


Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.

Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.

An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.

I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.

- TK-DuVeraun

Whales Are Mammals

I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.

- kawaii_psycho451


Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.

- sun_phobic

Shower Schedule

My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.

- LibrarianGovernment

No Balloons For Grandma

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.

He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.

He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

- Dskee02

Spontaneous Dolphin Existence


How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.

- thebeststory

Male Chickens

I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.

- bee_zah

Lightning McQueen

Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.

- 23071115

But ... Ice Floats

Waiter/Host here.

Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.

Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.

- FarWoods

Time Zones Exist

Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.

- JustARegularToaster


My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?"

"that's orange"

"no, it's red"



It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

- droneb2hive

Andre 2000?


I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)

The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.

The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.

It was stupid.

- P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D

Stars Like Our Sun

I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.


Richard Nixon

I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.

I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.

Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.


Balloon to Heaven

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.

And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.


Binder Clips

I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.

He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.

It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.



Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".

My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.




3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.

I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.


Lingerie Boxes

Late to the party, but there it is.

I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.

Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.


Wicked Witch of the West

I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.

I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.


Keep Your Hands to Yourself

Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.

They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.

So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.



My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.

I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.

We didn't speak to each other for four days.



How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).

How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.


Dogs and Chocolate


I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.

I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.


Is water wet?

My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.

For the record, it is no to both questions.


Mission Trip

A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.

He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.


Dragon Tales

One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.

It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.


Green Or Yellow?

When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.

Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.


Stars In Their Multitude


I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".

I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.



My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.


Hot Water

About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.

She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.

We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.


Biology Class

I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"

I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.

I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...


Solid Or Liquid?

Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.

For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.