Michael Jackson Might Have Been Framed. The Evidence That Has Been Ignored For Years Finally Comes Out.

This piece is based on the article 'Was Michael Jackson Framed?' by Mary A. Fisher. It was published in GQ magazine in October of 1994. 


When Michael Jackson died on June 25, 2009, an amazing transformation occurred. 

For years, the so-called King of Pop had been a punchline. If you made a reference to MJs sleepovers, or his Neverland Ranch, you were guaranteed a laugh - albeit a cheap one. 

Then the man died. Suddenly the laughter stopped, and a ubiquitous summertime sadness set in. But the bittersweet remembrances did not fuel a re-evaluation of the innuendoes and allegations that had dogged the superstar for the last fifteen years of his life. 

Now, on the eighth anniversary of Michaels death, a little-read GQ article from 1994 has resurfaced that may do just that. It offers a detailed account of how the eccentric music icon found himself at the heart of a child sex scandal, and raises serious questions about the motives of his accusers. 

Its a story of compassion, greed, drugs, manipulation, jealousy, and ambition. And it begins with a broken down car on Wilshire Boulevard.


When Jacksons van broke down on the crowded LA thoroughfare, he was conveniently spotted by a man who worked for a nearby car rental agency. Seeing an opportunity, he offered to help.

The owner of the agency, Dave Schwartz, had heard in advance that a very special guest was en route. He phoned his wife, June, and told her to bring their kids down to the shop. Her 12-year-old son Jordan Chandler (from a previous marriage) was a die-hard Michael Jackson fan.

When June arrived at the shop with her children, she struck up a conversation with Jackson, pointing out that her son had previously sent him fan mail. She even gave the singer her familys home number. 

"It was almost like she was forcing Jordan on him," recalled the employee who had brought Jackson to the shop. 

Michael Jackson was famously charitable and kind to his fans. While most other celebrities probably wouldnt have picked up the phone, he did. He began calling Jordan at home, and developed a fast friendship with the boy. June and Jordan repeatedly visited Jackson at Neverland Ranch. He bought gifts for the family, and took them on expensive vacations. 

Nobody seemed to think anything of it. But then, the following year, Jackson began having sleepovers with Jordan, and people started asking questions. (continued…)


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You might marvel that nobody questioned why a 35-year-old man would seek out a friendship with a 13-year-old boy, but June Schwartz didnt think it odd. Neither did those close to Jackson. 

Those who knew and supported him have often explained his affinity for young people by pointing out that Michael basically had to stop being a kid at the age of five. 

"He never had a childhood," remarked one of Jacksons former lawyers at time. "He is having one now. His buddies are 12-year-old kids. They have pillow fights and food fights."

Michaels father was, by all accounts, more manager than parent, and ensured that he and his siblings spent their youth hard at work in the studio and on tour. This, perhaps, goes some way to explaining the singers well-documented eccentricities, as well as his commitment to donating money and time to causes benefiting children. 

Jacksons friendship with Jordan Chandler might have gone on without raising any suspicions were it not for the involvement of the boys biological father, a man who undeniably had his own motives in this whole murky affair.

Evan Chandler was a dentist who hated his job. He had always dreamt of being a screenwriter; that was why he had originally moved from New York to LA. 

Around the time his son Jordan became friendly with Michael Jackson, Chandler got his first big break in show business as a co-writer of the 1993 Mel Brooks film Robin Hood: Men in Tights. He maintained his dentistry practice, however, and his access to mind-altering anaesthetic drugs - a detail that will become important later. 

At first, Evan seemed delighted that his son was friends with the most famous musician in the world. He bragged to friends about the relationship, and even let Michael sleep over at his house with Jordan. However, it seems proximity to Jackson caused Evan to lose his sense of proportion. 

He began to alternate between asking Jackson for favors and alienating him with threats. At one point, Evan suggested that the singer could build an addition onto his (Evans) house to make the sleepovers easier. Or failing that, maybe Michael could build him a new house altogether. 

But Evan began to sour on Jackson when the singer took Jordan and June with him to Monaco for the World Music Awards and left him behind. It was shortly after the trip that he suddenly became suspicious of the pop stars friendship with his son - though he witnessed no misconduct. 

Around this time, Evan called Dave Schwartz, Jordans stepfather, to discuss his feelings about Michael Jackson. Schwartz recorded the call.

"We were friends," he said. "I liked [Michael]… There was no reason why he had to stop calling me. I sat in the room one day and talked to Michael and told him exactly what I want out of this whole relationship. What I want."

And Evan had a plan to get what he wanted. (continued…)


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"Its already set," Evan told Schwartz during the same call. "There are other people involved... Ive paid them to do it. Everything's going according to a certain plan that isnt just mine. Once I make that phone call, this guy is going to destroy everybody in sight in any devious, nasty, cruel way that he can do it."

He continued: "And if I go through with this, I win big-time. Theres no way I lose. Ive checked that inside out. I will get everything I want, and they will be destroyed forever. …and Michaels career will be over."

"Does that help Jordan?" Schwartz asked.

"Thats irrelevant to me," Evan answered. "...It will be a massacre if I dont get what I want."

It's pretty clear that, whatever his suspicions, Evan's primary motivation was not protecting his son. But who was the guy who was "going to destroy everybody in sight"?

When Evan Chandler suspected that his son was being molested by Michael Jackson, he went to a lawyer named Barry K. Rothman, a fellow with a dubious reputation of his own. 

Accounts of Rothman by associates paint him as the archetypal shady lawyer. Former employees testified that he often refused to pay them until it came to the point of begging. One went so far as to say of Rothman's involvement in the case against Michael Jackson that he could have "devised this whole plan, period. This is within the boundary of his character, to do something like this." 

Rothman had a string of apparent financial woes around this time. Despite the fact that he drove a Rolls-Royce corniche, his child support payments were in arrears. He had tried to hide his assets in shell companies so that he could claim bankruptcy, but he had been caught out by a disgruntled client who threatened to report him. 

Instead of the police, this is the man who Evan Chandler turned to when he feared his son had been sexually assaulted.

So what exactly was this master plan cooked up between Evan Chandler and Barry Rothman?

Anthony Pellicano, a private investigator hired by Michael Jackson's attorney, had no doubt what it was once he heard the taped conversation between Chandler and Schwartz. 

"I knew it was about extortion," he said. 

Only one problem: Jordan Chandler had maintained to this point that there was no inappropriate contact between himself and Michael Jackson. Perhaps Evan Chandler had an answer for that too. (continued...)


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On July 11, 1993, Evan asked June if she could send Jordan to stay with him for a one week visitation. Although leery, June acquiesced because Rothman promised her that the child would be returned. He lied. 

Some time later, Evan and Jordan met with Michael Jackson and his investigator Anthony Pellicano. After hugging Jackson, Evan read from a document claiming it was probable the singer had molested the boy given the nature of their relationship. (The letter was written by a psychiatrist who had never interviewed any of the parties involved.)

According to Pellicano, Jordan looked dismayed as his father read out accusations he had never made. Later that evening, Chandler and Rothman shared their demand with Pellicano: they wanted $20 million.  

Up to this point, nobody but Evan Chandler had accused Jackson of any wrongdoing. But Jordan's memory began to change after a trip to his father's dental practice. 

While there, under the supervision of an anesthesiologist named Mark Torbiner, Jordan was for some reason given the drug sodium Amytal. Evan Chandler claims it was so that he could pull a tooth. 

But the choice of anaesthetic is highly suspect. "Its a psychiatric medication that cannot be relied on to produce fact," said Dr. Phillip Resnick, a psychiatrist. "People are very suggestible under it. People will say things under sodium Amytal that are blatantly untrue... It is quite possible to implant an idea through the mere asking of a question."

It is after this incident that Jordan Chandler began claiming that the allegations his father had been making against Jackson were true.  

When June notified Evan that she would be filing for the return of her son, he quickly took the boy to see Beverly Hills psychiatrist Mathis Abrams - the man who had written the letter Evan had presented to Jackson and Pellicano.

In a three hour interview, Jordan told the psychiatrist that Jackson had in fact engaged in numerous sex acts with him, including masturbation and oral sex. Abrams, being legally required to report such an accusation, passed it along to Children's Services. 

That's how the criminal investigation of Michael Jackson began. 

Jackson ended up settling the case for $22 million. Jordan's mother, initially supportive of Jackson, eventually turned against him; she claims she was afraid Evan would take custody of their son if she didn't.

The investigation triggered a media firestorm, with outlets offering tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to anyone who had known Jackson and was willing to go public with allegations (many of which turned out to be utterly baseless). 

To be clear, there was some evidence against Michael Jackson. When police searched his home, they found books containing pictures of young boys in various states of undress - though the books themselves were not illegal to own. 

Jordan Chandler was also apparently able to identify distinctive markings on the singer's genitals. 

But this largely overlooked article makes a compelling argument that at least part of the reason these charged where brought against Michael Jackson was in an effort to extort him. 

Does that mean he didn't do it? That's for you to decide. 


What do you think? Let us know. Thanks for reading!

Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?

You're not the only one.

u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?

Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.

I Know What I Like

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My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.

The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.

- AardvarkAndy

A Stair Step

My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.

- RazerWolf04

My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.

- Apples9308

Saturdays

My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.

We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.

- FormalMango

Iraq

I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.

My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.

- dontcryformegiratina

$40

With an ex:

"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."

She did not understand this.

I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.

"Now how much do you have in your hand?"

She still didn't understand.

She somehow has a college degree.

- Speedly

Mini Wheats

When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.

- shicole3

Crayons

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I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.

- CorrectionalChard

That's Unfair

My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.

His answer was that I was being unfair.

- ShyAcorn

Pure Masochism

How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."

To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.

- argofire

Emailing NASA

A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.

- derawin07

A Non-Standard Ruler? 

I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.

Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.

7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.

Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.

Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.

- Lovelocke

This Unusual Vegan Argument

Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.

He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.

That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."

Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.

Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.

- onlytruebertos

Monty Python

In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.

It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.

- Skrivus

Albert or Arnold

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Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?

- Gerrard1995

Below Sea Level

I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.


I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.

This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.

- -justforclout-

Tomash

Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.

Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.


An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.

I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.

- TK-DuVeraun

Whales Are Mammals

I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.

- kawaii_psycho451

Microwaves

Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.

- sun_phobic

Shower Schedule

My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.

- LibrarianGovernment

No Balloons For Grandma

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.

He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.

He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

- Dskee02

Spontaneous Dolphin Existence

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How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.

- thebeststory

Male Chickens

I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.

- bee_zah

Lightning McQueen

Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.

- 23071115

But ... Ice Floats

Waiter/Host here.

Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.

Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.

- FarWoods

Time Zones Exist

Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.

- JustARegularToaster

Colorblind

My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?"

"that's orange"

"no, it's red"

"orange"

"YOU CANT EVEN KNOW"

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

- droneb2hive

Andre 2000?

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I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)


The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.

The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.

It was stupid.

- P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D

Stars Like Our Sun

I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.

fox_boi2

Richard Nixon

I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.


I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.

Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.

grumblecakes1

Balloon to Heaven

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.

And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

Dskee02

Binder Clips

I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.

He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.

It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.

justantherredditgirl

Jewish

Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".

My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.

Aslkurloz

Nutella

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3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.

I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.

vault_tec_redditor

Lingerie Boxes

Late to the party, but there it is.

I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.

Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.

Meh75

Wicked Witch of the West

I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.

I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.

weirdatwork2017

Keep Your Hands to Yourself

Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.

They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.

So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.

Frisby2007

Telekinesis

My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.

I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.

We didn't speak to each other for four days.

dude_bizarro

Ghosts

How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).


How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.

thebeststory

Dogs and Chocolate

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I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.

I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.

KlutzyHedgehog

Is water wet?

My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.

For the record, it is no to both questions.

SFCopperhead

Mission Trip

A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.

He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.

SirRogers

Dragon Tales

One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.

It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.

MistalQueensglaive

Green Or Yellow?

When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.

Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.

BugsRatty

Stars In Their Multitude

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I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".

I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.

theedjman

Colorblind

My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

droneb2hive

Hot Water

About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.

She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.

We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.

moniker5000

Biology Class

I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"

I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.

I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...

10d4plus8

Solid Or Liquid?

Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.

For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.

ScreamingPotoo