People Around The World Debate Whether Or Not We Still Need Religion.

It seems like every day you turn on the news and someone is doing something negative in the name of their religion or belief system; similarly there are demonstrations or just general anger from other theisms and atheists arguing about what just happened. It's a never ending circle of religions not getting along or seeing eye-to-eye, which begs the question, "Should we just stop?"

People on Reddit were asked: "Do we need religion?" These are some of the best answers.


1. Fear: Majority of the people are afraid of the unknown. Questions like "who made us?", "what happens to us after death?", "how do we make good use of our life?" scare these people so much that they want some kind of theory to hold on to. They sub-consciously see a lot of flaws in the dogmas they follow, but to them the alternative of having no theory and no answers, is so devastating that they hold on to it.

2. Hope: History shows that whenever a new religion is introduced, the first ones to adopt are the weakest socio-economic demographic of that society. (Christianity in Japan, Islam in Arabia are good examples). These people, who are going through an awe-full life, are promised to have a better life and/or a better after-life by organized religions. Thats the only hope they see in their lives and they cling on to it like a 6 month old clings to his mother.

3. System: A lot of us want to have answers and rules. We want to be told whats good vs bad, right vs wrong etc. Religions answer these for most of people. This is subjective, hence you see some people totally immersed in religion because their default moral compass is not too assertive, and you see some who don't need religion at all because even without religion, they have a good grasp on how they want to spend their life. In short, religion is a system, one of many, to live an apparently meaningful life. Most of the people, however, are introduced to religion as soon as they are born, so they believe the religion they follow is the only system.

Tehseen Baweja

Religion is a tag for a number of beliefs that is commonly held by a population. We will always create a religion tag for a group of beliefs if there is no such tag already.  For instance, common beliefs of ancient Indians are collectively tagged "Hinduism" although the practitioners themselves had no such name. Since beliefs are so fundamental to our existence ipso facto, religions are fundamental & unavoidable aspects of our life. 

Humans believe in a number of things. For instance, many of us believe that we should not lie or kill or steal. This is not something got to us in nature. It is something we just invented as a survival mechanism. It guides our worldview. For instance, Americans talk about equality as "truths that are self evident". Some of those beliefs eventually became "laws" - used to govern people. Violating laws can bring really unpleasant consequences. For instance, a recent court ruling allowed gays be allowed equal marriage rights that has now become a law in the US.

To enforce these beliefs and laws, there come the institutions. Churches, governments, missions were all such institutions. Then there are other elements of culture. For instance, we celebrate a variety of festivals that provides a population common ways to celebration. 

Then there are leaders who bring out ideas. For instance, Francis Bacon and Voltaire brought ideas during European enlightenment that molded people's worldview. Jefferson, Franklin and Adams did for the US, just as Gandhi, Nehru and Patel did for India. 

These beliefs + laws + institutions + leaders + cultural traditions are collectively called religion.

 1000 years from now some group of French could form a society called Voltairism to implement his ideas broadly and a few Englishmen could compete to form a Baconistsociety. Give it another 1000 years and these societies could form government connections and involve in making laws. They could have their own festivals to celebrate various events of enlightenment. Give it another 1000 years they could rigidify these views to be called a religion. In fact, by then people would see Baconist society would be seen as a religion however ironical the followers would see such a tag.This is what happened in case of Buddha, Confucius and others. 

In the same way, in another 4000 years, Americans could go significantly move away from rest of the world in ideas that their combined belief system could be so unique to be termed the Americanism. This is what happened to what is now called Hinduism. It had its own set of laws, institutions, leaders and moral codes not too different from what we have in modern societies.

 Sometimes your beliefs are so important that you will go any length to defend it. Let's assume your culture doesn't allow rape and another culture does. If that culture tries to take over yours and you feel so strongly about the different, you might fight. Different groups of people have different core ideas that are so self-evident that they cannot live to see without. 

Lots of people mistakenly see religious fight as those done for the gods or God. It is ignorant. People never really fight for gods. Shias and Sunnis don't have two different Allahs. The concept of God is not really that different between Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The difference lies in belief systems and culture and that is the one that is behind acrimony. Beliefs are fundamentally important. If you think men and women are fundamentally equal, would you defend that idea against a group that thinks different? Beliefs and culture are worth fighting for and worth dying for.

Balaji Viswanathan

I think its an unfortunate choice of words, because need sort of implies that without it you cannot live, and of course we all know that people live without religion, no matter how you define that. It might be, like books or friends, nice to have, but not really essential.

Without access to all sorts of books, I think life is not very enjoyable for me, but I know many people (e.g., the current President) who have no real connection with books and place no value in them, so obviously you can say we do not NEED books; nor do we need religion, in that sense. People do just fine without them. You may say Yes, but… til the cows come home, but if they do not need them*, we dont get to second guess them. I can change my own behaviors, with some effort, but I cant change anyone else, and I might not even know the first thing about what their needs are anyway.

*They determine whether they need something.

In addition, religion can mean a lot of things. Some assume it means Christianity, Judaism, Islam or something like that, but religion can be many other things, such as baseball or music or atheism. Obviously, a person need not use those things as their religion, but they certainly could as well. Another good reason, perhaps, for just not trying to say whether anyone other than yourself needs religion.

James Oppenheimer-Crawford

No we dont need religion. But we do need spirituality. Why?

Because we dont know the answer of the ultimate question and science cannot give us the answer. Science has hit the glass ceiling of exploration.

Consider this, science says the observable universe is merely 5% of the actual universe. Which means we may never even have a glimpse of more than 5% of universe. So the question is this, when we dont know the size of universe how did they come to the number of 5% as what is observable universe? craziness…

Similarly the higgs boson experiment has not helped much in any breakthrough discovery. They have just opened a pandoras box and discovering new elements to confuse even further.

Hence we need something that can explain more about our own truth. And knowing our truth must be the insatiable desire within a man or any being that has attained a certain level of awareness of its own existence.

Sanjeev Singh

You can certainly not have it. I think you have to ask the question "necessary for what?"

Because perhaps in the strictest sense, food, water, shelter, and air is all that is necessary for human life that lasts more than 2 weeks (and in some cases 24 hours). There are certainly other things that are incredibly helpful and fulfilling like friends and family, which add meaning, richness, and value to the human experience.

Faith is about relationships--our relationships with others and how we treat them and our relationship with God. Our being and existence is bathed in existence. 

We need each other. Others need us. We need to treat others with respect, care, and community. Others need to treat us with respect, care, and community. We need to build up positive relationships and community in love and service in a way that broadens the human community and shares love rather than hoarding it.

Nathan Ketsdever

Barring artificial pressure like the state enforcing a position regarding religion -- a terrible injustice and infringement of rights of conscience and expression -- one very strong predictor of religiosity in a country is economic inequality. If inequality increases, religiosity will increase, with a lag time of about a year. If inequality is ameliorated, religiosity will soon decrease.

I've read different interpretations. One is that when the gulf between ordinary people and the elite widens, those in power use religion to justify their position (to themselves?) or perhaps as a means of control. My pet conjecture is that when power becomes thus skewed, those who perceive that there is no earthly way to better their lot and enjoy lives anything like those of the rich, will instead turn to unearthly hopes: when reality is hopeless, turn to socially condoned fantasy.

Be that as it may, the statistical trends look pretty persuasive even if the interpretations above are all bollocks.

Why do we need religion? We don't.

Why do some people seem to need religion? I don't think they do, I'm not so condescending as to think that only we elite atheists can handle reality as it is. I see this attitude sometimes and deplore it.

But it seems that whatever the mechanism, people turn to religion in reaction to increased unfairness in society.

I am no communist advocating perfect equality, but I do think that the huge gulf between rich and poor seen in third world dictatorships and the United States needs to shrink. When that happens, secularisation will follow.

Petter Hggholm

The thing is, the concept of 'religion' is a relatively new invention.

No ancient Indo-European language had a specific word for religion. Latin (religio/relegere) was the first to make the distinction for activities that pertained to the imperial cult. It denoted the proper way to practice, well... religion. It was a civil duty based on tradition (Mos maiorum) which ensured the Pax Romana - the peace of Rome.

For everyone else there was just superstitio, otherwise known as 'you're doing it wrong'. Neglecting the proper ways of honouring Caesar and/or the gods was irreligious, a dangerous sedition, and denying their divinity was atheism. That is what Jews, Christians, and Epicureans were charged with.

Of course, if you asked the Jews or Christians, they would talk of their own devotion to God simply as "law" - a way of life, as opposed to the way of the idolatrous Roman world.

Christianity broke from the idea of worship as a matter of law or as a duty to the empire, and held that it was a matter of faith (which is not a religious concept in Judaism) - effectively releasing people from the extremes of legalism and Empire[3] dictated by religio.

Christians were to live a life of conscience in a post-religious (or "post-apocalyptic") world, that is, according to the spirit of the law, and in opposition to political or spiritual hegemony. Many Roman Christians renounced violence, and some were executed for refusing military service.

When the Vandals sacked Rome in 410, the citizens thought it was because the new religion had abandoned the traditional religio for an unknown, invisible God. This prompted St Augustine to write the original 'tale of two cities': the City of God vs. the city of the world.

Even without religion in the modern or ancient sense, we will still have the concepts of right or wrong, good and evil, based on law or tradition. Some will search for peace, others will wage war and try to send their enemies to hell.

You might change the definitions, but that will not change the reality.

Johannes Richter


Yes, it is possible to live all united with a single religion of Humanity. It is relatively much simpler, easier, and is devoid all the otherwise religious intolerance issues especially in the wake of the past events.

But the question remains - is it really possible? And even if is it possible, how many of us will be able to stick to it in the long run?

Now, take this for example - you've your 4-year old kid who you plan to get enrolled in a school. Suppose, you have only one school which say is a government school or okay, better take an International School. Fine! So you're happy in that space and so is your kid. And the other parents too happily enroll their kids there. But for how long? How long do you think parents will be happy to have their kids there? There are bound to be feeling that the school isn't sufficient enough to provide good amenities, education system, teaching modules, etc. Sooner or later, few or more pupils will start looking for other options because somehow they are not satisfied with the theories or principles enforced in the school, and so they leave that school and get their children administered in some other school which appeals to their liking.

This, my friend, is the exact scenario with Religion! The government or International School is the singled out religion Humanity; the pupils are the religion followers and those dissatisfied with the school are those who cannot conform to the same religion on the basis of their disparate views from that of the others.

Its very simple to say that having a unanimous Religion for everyone can be very peaceful. But sadly, that is far from possible. Because each and everyone has a different ideology in place. People tend to differ in their thinking pattern and act accordingly. Having a single religion might ,if at all, work for a limited duration of time. But it will not work in the longer run.

Additionally, we must also think about the following:

  • What will happen to the deep-rooted beliefs and ideals people might have that differs from the others?
  • How will be combat those people who will inherently be inclined to hate Humanity like the Misanthropes or the Cynics?

These questions will be raised every often when this concept of following a single Religion comes into the picture.

Religion even though doesn't really unite each and every one of us, but it does have some positives:

  1. It keeps people of at least of similar beliefs, hopes, aspirations, mindsets,  ideals and perspectives together.
  2. It gives us a rule book to follow to be a nice person, and consequently travel to Heaven
  3. It gives us faith and hope to stay strong even in matters of great adversity (no matter even though it may be simply blind faith)
  4. It soothes us by instilling in us a sense of spirituality. Yes, spirituality doesn't require a proper structured religion, but religion gives us proper guidelines and rigid ways to stay spiritual. Hope I am making sense here.

Therefore, a single religion or no religion can exist but it requires an extreme sense of patience and willingness to be peaceful and organized. Which is hands on very difficult to achieve. As I mentioned before, religion helps us to stay disciplined, at least it tries to, but without a religion, it is all unruly and leads to anarchy just like in the absence of a government!

Gulnaaz Afzal

Do you need religion? No. Do "we" need religion? Yes. "Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer." and all that.

Think of it this way: religion is like nuclear capability. Nobody needs nuclear capability, but once someone else has it then you have to get on the bus or get run over. 

Think of Charles Martel and the battle of Poitiers, had he been defeated Islamic forces would have taken over Europe. Do you know how he recruited his army? Using funds from churches and a propaganda campaign about saving Christianity from Islam.

Think of the crusades. If the Arabs in the Holy Land did not have Islam to rally around, they would have been crushed by Christianity. Think of Constantine and his in hoc signo vinces. Think of the Soviet Union, the great failed atheist state, and consider the attempted reboot by Putin, once a Godless KGB officer but now somehow a devout Orthodox Christian.

Look at Nigeria today, or any number of terrorist groups (primarily Islamic but there have been Christian terrorists and even scattered cases of Hindu terrorism) and how strongly religion functions as a unifying and motivating force. The word means "to bind together" and that is what it does.

Back to the nuclear analogy, sure, if we could convince everyone to count down from 3 and just not be religious then that might stick. The problem is that absence of one religion just creates a vacuum that another one fills, so if everyone does not do it at once it will not work. If you do not believe me, think about Europe. Just a decade ago everyone was commenting on the secularization and decline of Christianity in Europe. Now? Muslim population growth. Conversions to Islam in France have more than doubled since the 1980s. 

A dozen people died in France because they drew a picture of a religious figure. Sure, free speech activists are passionate, but would a free speech activist ever kill 12 Imams for suggesting a blasphemy law? No. It takes religion to motivate someone to that level of blind aggression. On a related note, when you think about armed opposition to religious extremism worldwide, it usually comes from people who share a different religion. The armed forces of the United States, for example, are overwhelmingly Christian. That is not to say there are not soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines, and guardsmen of all religious persuasions, and this is not to say their service is any less appreciated or valuable, but Christianity is an overwhelming motivator for an overwhelming number of those who serve. We can quibble forever about whether Israel is truly religious, but at the end of the day the strongest force opposing radical Islam in the middle east raises a flag with the star of David. 

Additionally it bears noting that the first thing every society has done from the beginning of time is codify their religion. This happened for a reason, and it might be tempting to believe that we are past that need as a species, but we are not. Not only is religion something that people turn to in hard times, but it also has an effect on quality of life ad various personal and psychological benefits. Whether those benefits are a placebo is not important, because they exist. If taking a sugar pill is what helps you sleep at night, the important takeaway is that you are sleeping better.

In conclusion, whether you believe there is any truth to the God or gods thing is not relevant. Religion is a powerful unifying and motivating tool that has shaped the world and societies that we live in. Religion does not need to exist per se, but it does offer some benefits, and more importantly, likely the only force that can stop religious fanaticism is religious fanaticism.

You are welcome to believe whatever you would like about the necessity of religion, but the world will have no religions when and only when the world has no people.

Rick Scheff

Its not necessary at all.

I mean, even though Im religious, many religions did not spread until a few thousand years ago.

People can live happy, fulfilling lives without religion.

However, I believe that finding a religion thats right for you can improve your self-esteem, confidence, and general faith of course. Having something to believe in is always a good source of inspiration and is only going to help those who believe in a religion.

David Wong

There are many reasons why religion is needed for mankind:

(a) We know that man is a social animal. Every man depends upon millions of people for his life and its necessities. Also we know that every society needs some laws to prevent injustice and preserve the rights of every member of the society. But who is the right authority to make the law? One man (be he a monarch or a dictator)? No! Because he, instinctively, will look, first of all, after his own interest. A group of people (be it an aristocracy or democracy)? No! Because every one of them is capable of wrong judgment; and a lot of wrong decisions do not add up to a right decision.

(b) Also, it is apparent that no group of people disengage itself from self-interest. For example, in colonial days the assemblies and councils of colonies were enacting laws to suit the interest of the white rulers. Now, the same institutions (but with different members) are making laws keeping in view the interest of the local population. Self-interest was, and still is, the key word of legislation in the whole world.

(c) Moreover, no man or group of men is in a position to make a comprehensive law based on perfect equity and justice.

So it is necessary that the laws should be made by someone who is superior to man, who has nothing to lose or gain by that law and with whom every man has equal relation. and that one is "Allah". Hence we need the religion

(d) Moreover, all the man-made laws and customs have a very serious defect: they cannot stop crime. This defect makes their existence somewhat superfluous. A thief enters an unoccupied house, in a remote village at dead of night for stealing some valuables. He knows perfectly well that there is no representative of the government for good many miles around the house. He feels perfectly safe from being detected. Is there any law of government which can stop him from committing the crime? The answer is, certainly, "no".

No government can stop the said person from stealing, but Religion can.

Religion, true religion as explained above, teaches that there is a God, who knows everything and sees everything; who is just and virtuous Himself, and wants us to be just and virtuous; that we are responsible for our deeds in His eyes, and we have to give account of our deeds to Him after our death. If a person believes in it, then (and only then) he can restrain himself from committing sins and crimes and inflicting injustice upon other people.Laws of government can control the external affairs of a man and even that only at a time and place where its hands can reach. But the belief in God and religion controls not only the external acts but hidden desires and inner thoughts also.This control is not confined to any particular place or any limited time, because God is omnipresent and omniscient

(e) To realize fully the unquestionable benefits which the society derives from the belief in God and religion, try to think about the chaos and turmoil which the mankind will certainly plunge into if the belief in God is put aside. There will not be any society. Instead, there will be a multitude of people. In such atmosphere every individual is at liberty to do whatever he wishes. He thinks there is no God and no life hereafter, and he has come into being by the chance of a blind nature; and he also knows that the span of life is very short. So he naturally will be overcome by the desire to enjoy this life as much as possible without any regard to anything else. His only consideration will be to avoid being caught red-handed or detected by the government law. And whenever he will feel safe he will not stop at any crime to fulfill his desire, how much heinous that desire may appear to others.

Even an atheist may lead a life which is morally as perfect as that of a follower of religion. So what is the need of religion?

It is a fallacy, to think that the moral life of an atheist is without any obligation to religion. Because those moral thoughts have been bestowed upon him by no other factor but religion. Religious moral teachings have been ingrained in human mind for thousands of years. They have been bestowed from father to son (heredity) and from friend to friend, (environment). These moral values have become inseparable from his conscience. But what is conscience? It is but the religious and moral thoughts which have come to him from his religious forefathers, and now he cannot escape from them. Conscience is based upon the moral teaching of religion. How can the conscience survive, when those teachings of religion are routed out of the humanity as a whole?

Anybody who ponders deeply upon this point will come to the conclusion that no morality can hold is ground, if separated from belief in God and religion.

Mahdi

I think that this is up to you to decide, but only after you can answer the following question "Does religion have a beneficial role in today's society?"

My opinion on the subject is that religious thinking (moral and compassionate thinking) complemented by ethical thinking are the basis of any society. Imagine that governments (think about Nazism and its effect) and corporations (would profit and assigning a monetary value to everything solve world problems) would be the only ones defining what is right and wrong (who would oppose war, who would promote charity and compassion, who would promote human virtues and so on?).

Religion has been used for centuries as a method of self exploring and developing kindness, love and compassion. It has helped people see hope in dire situations and closed the wounds made by suffering. 

Alexander Epsacit

I wish we could, (I, for one, stopped believing in God around the fifth grade and have never been happier), but there seems to be resounding evidence that as a society we do need it.

I'm of the opinion that the threat of hell is what keeps a large population of people from committing truly terrible acts (rape, murder, and the like). However, I don't think that it's a good, let alone the best, way to avoid the problem. Nearly everyreligion has caused large amounts of bloodshed in the name of their God (Crusades, anyone?) and tends to shun/persecute those who hold opposing beliefs or promote societal change.

Finally, people by and large seem to need something beyond, and larger than, themselves to aspire to or work for. Religion is many peoples' reason for living and being a productive member of society. So until people are able to do both just for their own sake, religion appears to be here to stay.

In short: We seem to need it as a society, but only because people as a whole need something more than themselves to work for.

Preston Carlson

Yes, because God wants people to gather for worship. The Bible says: Let us consider one another so as to motivate to love and fine works, not forsaking our meeting together. —Hebrews 10:24-25

Jesus indicated that his followers would form an organized group when he said to them: By this all will know that you are my disciples —if you have love among yourselves. (John 13:35) As a primary way of showing this love, disciples of Christ would associate with fellow believers. They would be organized into congregations that meet regularly for worship. (1 Corinthians 16:19) Collectively, they would form a worldwide brotherhood. —1 Peter 2:17.

More is needed than just belonging to a religion

While the Bible shows that people should gather to worship God, it does not teach that a person can please God by just being a member of a religion. To be approved by God, a persons religion must affect his everyday life. For example, the Bible says: The religion that is clean and undefiled from the standpoint of our God and Father is this: to look after orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself without spot from the world. —James 1:27

Smiley Pencirga

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Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?

You're not the only one.

u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?

Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.

I Know What I Like

Giphy

My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.

The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.

- AardvarkAndy

A Stair Step

My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.

- RazerWolf04

My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.

- Apples9308

Saturdays

My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.

We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.

- FormalMango

Iraq

I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.

My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.

- dontcryformegiratina

$40

With an ex:

"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."

She did not understand this.

I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.

"Now how much do you have in your hand?"

She still didn't understand.

She somehow has a college degree.

- Speedly

Mini Wheats

When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.

- shicole3

Crayons

Giphy

I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.

- CorrectionalChard

That's Unfair

My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.

His answer was that I was being unfair.

- ShyAcorn

Pure Masochism

How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."

To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.

- argofire

Emailing NASA

A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.

- derawin07

A Non-Standard Ruler? 

I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.

Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.

7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.

Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.

Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.

- Lovelocke

This Unusual Vegan Argument

Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.

He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.

That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."

Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.

Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.

- onlytruebertos

Monty Python

In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.

It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.

- Skrivus

Albert or Arnold

Giphy

Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?

- Gerrard1995

Below Sea Level

I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.


I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.

This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.

- -justforclout-

Tomash

Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.

Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.


An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.

I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.

- TK-DuVeraun

Whales Are Mammals

I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.

- kawaii_psycho451

Microwaves

Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.

- sun_phobic

Shower Schedule

My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.

- LibrarianGovernment

No Balloons For Grandma

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.

He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.

He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

- Dskee02

Spontaneous Dolphin Existence

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How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.

- thebeststory

Male Chickens

I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.

- bee_zah

Lightning McQueen

Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.

- 23071115

But ... Ice Floats

Waiter/Host here.

Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.

Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.

- FarWoods

Time Zones Exist

Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.

- JustARegularToaster

Colorblind

My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?"

"that's orange"

"no, it's red"

"orange"

"YOU CANT EVEN KNOW"

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

- droneb2hive

Andre 2000?

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I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)


The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.

The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.

It was stupid.

- P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D

Stars Like Our Sun

I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.

fox_boi2

Richard Nixon

I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.


I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.

Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.

grumblecakes1

Balloon to Heaven

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.

And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

Dskee02

Binder Clips

I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.

He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.

It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.

justantherredditgirl

Jewish

Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".

My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.

Aslkurloz

Nutella

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3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.

I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.

vault_tec_redditor

Lingerie Boxes

Late to the party, but there it is.

I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.

Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.

Meh75

Wicked Witch of the West

I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.

I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.

weirdatwork2017

Keep Your Hands to Yourself

Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.

They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.

So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.

Frisby2007

Telekinesis

My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.

I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.

We didn't speak to each other for four days.

dude_bizarro

Ghosts

How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).


How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.

thebeststory

Dogs and Chocolate

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I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.

I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.

KlutzyHedgehog

Is water wet?

My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.

For the record, it is no to both questions.

SFCopperhead

Mission Trip

A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.

He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.

SirRogers

Dragon Tales

One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.

It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.

MistalQueensglaive

Green Or Yellow?

When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.

Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.

BugsRatty

Stars In Their Multitude

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I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".

I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.

theedjman

Colorblind

My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

droneb2hive

Hot Water

About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.

She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.

We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.

moniker5000

Biology Class

I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"

I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.

I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...

10d4plus8

Solid Or Liquid?

Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.

For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.

ScreamingPotoo