People Share How They Realized They Were Conventionally 'Sexy' And How It Affects Their Life.

People who are conventionally attractive on Reddit were asked: "When did you discover that you were hot and how did it affect your personality?" These are some of the most insightful answers.

1. I'm more than how I look

I [became] a beautiful 6'2", 145 lbs redhead in college. At first I wasn't used to it, people staring at me for different reasons - and the bullying stopped! But now that I'm an adult earning my PhD, it sometimes sucks. I texted a friend yesterday that I felt like screaming going into public because people stare at me all the time. I was wearing old clothes with no makeup on and I got rubbernecking from men and glares from women. I didn't ask to feel like a zoo attraction wherever I go, but it happens. I've been raped twice because I was considered too much of a tease, and abused in a relationship because I must have asked for it. So I can't use my beauty for sexual liberation because time has proven that I will just be hurt by it. My attractiveness has proven more of a burden than anything in my life so far. I intimidate my boyfriend who I think is absolutely gorgeous, which has caused a lot of stress in our relationship and sex life.

So this is me, the person in Walmart glaring with their eyes forward because I don't feel like being a zoo attraction or catering to the world anymore. People think I am only there to look at, but I have so much more to offer. Any man I have ever dated or talked to has commented about how they didn't expect me to be smart and funny too. Don't get me wrong, I love how I look and I know people will be people. But I have so much more to offer.



2. I think a few of us have been these girls at some point

About two years ago is when I found out, it was after a few months of girls latching onto my side that I realised that those girls weren't cuddling me because I was warm. I had always just assumed they were cold. Personality wise not much happened aside from me teasing them a bit when started hugging me.



3. We aren't all the special snowflakes we thought we were

I've always been pretty. Since I was 12 I've ha boys lust after me, been cat called in the street, and people in the elevator would complement my parents on how nicely I grew up. Honestly, it started going to my head. I probably would have turned completely shallow if not for 1) my brothers who gave me [crap] every time I started acting snotty, and 2) I went to a high school with an amazingly large population of beautiful girls. Like, seriously it was astounding. I went to a performing arts high school in NYC, and many of my classmates were working models and actresses. I figured out real quick I wasn't going to be the "token pretty girl" in any groups anymore. It really put me in my place and made me develop a personality beyond my looks.

When I went to college in the Midwest, I met all these average girls who thought they were hot, and I thought to myself "just wait until you get out in the real world and find out just how special you aren't."



4. Be careful that it doesn't go to your head!

I was never really [unattractive] in high school, just nerdy and never really took care of myself. Lost a lot of weight freshman year, started working out, got a haircut, and became less of a dork. I'm not hot, just good looking.

After I became single junior year, I was a douche. Always trying to sleep with people, constantly talking about the gym and drinking, that kind of stuff. Eventually I realized what I'd become and that most of my friends didn't like me any more.. and that I didn't like me any more. So I stopped and just kind of settled down.

I have a girlfriend now, but still get hit on by girls, especially at parties. It's fun to play along and be flirty for a while, but never cross a line.



5. Damn, I'm good lookin'!

I went through some seriously [unattractive] years in school (like enough to break mirrors and strike fear into the hearts of those who looked upon me), so when I lost weight, grew my hair out, and started wearing more flattering clothes and contact lenses, I was really taken aback by the attention I got. Went from forever alone super virgin to actually having compliments and random customers/other students flirting. I actually like getting cat called, I was always self conscious about my looks so actually getting attention still boosts my confidence because I never expect it.



6. I'm king of the world!

I had a weird teens (currently just shy of 20), I was rather nerdy and into and still am, things like D&D and gaming and such so girls didn't really give me much attention.

I started gymming at around 16 and taking more interest in grooming and "fashion sense" and developed really well, made first team rugby and such and I got more attention in high school but nothing over the top, seemed to be an average amount but nothing to make me think "I must be good looking".

Anyway, I went overseas for a year (first year out of school) and started dating this really good looking girl over there; who I knew prior to coming over though; so dating her gave me a confidence boost and it started happening from then on, I was being hit on a lot overseas, perhaps because I wasn't such an awkward turtle anymore - thanks confidence and it gave me a lot more knowledge that people thought I was attractive.

I came home at the beginning of this year and started bartending at a local club and now I get this absurd(ish) amount of girls coming up to me and complementing me, buying me drinks and full on hitting on me and being really open about their intentions and what they would "like to do to me", often finding friend requests from lots these girls on Facebook the next day and texting me. Within 3 weeks of working at this bar I was "scouted" for modelling by a local agency in a sense, one of their models asked for a selfie with me and then showed it to agency and they ended up contacting me.

I thought maybe it was just drunk girls being drunk girls at first but not anymore, all of this combined makes me feel good about myself and now in day to day life I get a lot of compliments because perhaps I seem like a more approachable and happier person.

So it's really given me this confidence boost and I definitely feel more good about myself which carries through to every day things which is great, friends and family say they can see I'm a far more happier/outgoing person.



7. You mean, you don't instantly become a model?

I really didn't get the extreme confidence most people would get when they get in shape. I just feel like I can do the same thing except I now feel more comfortable with my shirt off really. As an introvert, I don't really go out and speak to people, and that hasn't really changed. I'm relatively a quiet person and that hasn't changed. The only topics that could easily break the ice with me are dogs, pizza and video games! As for compliments, I have gotten a few from relatives that haven't seen me in years. The only other time I remember, was when a cashier asked me if I needed a bag for my groceries, I said "No, thank you." She followed with, "Yeah, you don't look like you need it." Hell, I actually didn't realize the compliment until a day later!

The biggest change to anyone was to myself. For the longest time I wanted to be damn proud of myself and look good. Do I look good to other people? I don't know, and I do my best to not think of what others think about me.



8. It's all about the confidence

About couple of years ago. Somehow I realized I'm not that bad looking but actually pretty decent from outside. Decided to hit the gym [and] bought fitting clothes. Started shaving, caring for my skin, found a haircut that fits me (hint: it's not a three feet long black ponytail anymore), bought glasses that weren't hideous and so on. Started looking professional and good. Stopped cursing, talking with a more confident voice (you can actually teach yourself this - I was surprised how easy it was.)

I feel more confident and at ease when with girls now. Well with anyone to be honest, like when I'm giving presentation for a conference room full of people. In fact, it's me who makes other people feel a bit uneasy in the right way and made me understand how girls at high school felt when dudes would stare them and start blushing when you looked back with a smile.

Girls? To be honest, I don't really care about the sex but somehow I seem to be a chick magnet. I don't think it's because I'm beautiful or something, but confident in myself. I'm asexual so usually I just end up cuddling and hugging instead.

About misconceptions... well, I look really social on the outside. I'm not. To be honest I've started to hate big conventions and parties as I just can't stand other people. I'm good at bluffing which is a good thing when it comes to my work.

So basically I just realized I have the potential to not look like an bergeek, so I figured I'd try to turn myself into something I wanted.



9. The perks are pretty nice ;)

Within the past year. I didn't think I was unattractive before, but I went through a rough breakup and lost about 18 pounds. Got a new wardrobe, changed my hair. My friends are almost all guys and friends of my ex, and they started hitting on me even though getting with a bro's ex is forbidden. It got to where I couldn't really go out to a bar without getting hit on. Waiting for a friend at a pub became a game of avoiding glancing at anyone on accident or they'd come chat me up.

At the same time, it's given me more confidence because people automatically seem to like me more, even other girls. And people are more willing to give me what I want. Like if I'm waiting in line or asking for a favor, they're more willing to do what I ask. It's interesting.



10. But it might go to your head

Honestly, it's weird.

As a guy who has gone from extremely skinny to really fit twice in 3 years I can tell you It gets uncomfortable. Mainly because the second time around you realize how shallow people are. Little things like acquiring help are easier when you're attractive, but making friends as an attractive guy is probably one of the most belittling things you can experience... People just assume you're a douchebag.... End result... you become a bitter douchebag.



11. It's not all fun and games

My family and the losers I dated throughout high school constantly put me down and told me I wasn't good enough. It wasn't until I was away at college that I really learned to love myself and see myself as somewhat attractive and valuable as a human being. Sometimes there's still a huge disconnect from the person I look at in the mirror and the person I see in photos.

I'd say that time at college was where I really discovered that people thought I was beautiful. Dates were never hard to find in life, when I wanted them, but I realized I could actually go for a higher caliber of partner who would treat me better. I think that's the only thing that's changed for me. My personality has always been the same--goofy and always laughing and out-there and a little geeky--but I realized I could date hotter people if I choose and still have enough choice to find the ones with great personalities too.

Misconceptions about me? I get told by friends and acquaintances that before they got to know me, they 100% assumed I was [mean] and that I'm apparently intimidating to talk to--which is probably why I'm usually having to make the first move with friends and potential partners alike.

Also, you'd think being attractive would mean you're less lonely. But you find out that the people who surround you are often not your true friends and are actually using you for some reason or another. So you may find yourself in a room full of people who know your name and act like they want to know you, and you'll find you feel more alone than ever.



12. Imposter syndrome at its finest

Found out a couple of years ago. I had that awkward teenage phase where all my limbs were too long and my nose was huge. I've always been a bit too skinny. When I was about 17-18, my body parts sort of evened out. I got a haircut, started buying clothes that were actually my size and started using contact lenses instead of glasses. People notice me a lot now. Strangers come up to me and comment on my looks or ask me for my number. I get stared at a lot. I get cat called a lot. My friends tell me I'm beautiful all the time. Some people seem to automatically assume I'm stupid, even though I'm well educated (7 years at uni).

I hate it. I've never felt beautiful, I can almost feel grotesque some days. I feel like it's all just lies and that someones gonna jump out and scream "sike!!!" soon and tell me that I'm really as [unattractive] as I feel. I tend to try and hide my face behind big sunglasses and I often wear shawls wrapped loosely over my head because most of the time I just want to be left alone. It's great when you want to get in to a club though, and I rarely have to pay for alcohol because I've always got a couple of men standing by waiting to buy me drinks. Even though I tell them I'm gay. Oh well!



13. You mean, you still can have a weird personality... AND be beautiful?

I've always been the guy who got the pretty girl. The only way I'm aware that it's affected my personality is that I have to be extra nice, or people will assume I'm a [jerk] because I'm handsome. Kind of annoying really, people assume I'm being patronizing when really I'm just somewhat awkward.



14. As long as you think you're beautiful that's all that matters

I was the stereotypical late bloomer. I wore glasses, had messed up teeth and was a half a foot taller than all the other kids in my class (both boys and girls) until puberty set in, but even then it took forever for any of the boys to catch up with me. I was bullied, picked on, and pretty much tormented through middle school for being the loud, obnoxious smart girl. When I was growing up in my small town in the early to mid - 90's, girls were basically supposed to shut up, be pretty, and agree with what the boys had to say. I had a problem with this, so my childhood was rather uncomfortable to say the least. Luckily, I was rather brainy and I had a few good friends who were equally as awkward. I just kind of stayed with my crew of misfits from elementary school until 8th grade, idolizing the popular kids and jocks.

And then puberty struck. Hard. I developed boobs. My bad perm grew out and I started using sun-in so I could be blonde like my mom. I got contacts. I started getting self conscious about my new body, since I grew another three inches and was now tall with some curves I had no idea what to do with. That led to a lovely eating disorder or two. Gave up trying to starve myself and started exercising and being careful of what I ate. I started high-school about 20 pounds lighter and 4 inches taller than I was in 7th grade. I was now 5'11 and thin with a nice set of C's. The senior boys went [wild] over me. I had no idea what to do with myself, since I was still a nerd at heart and hung out with the same smart kids who had befriended me in elementary school. They had no idea what to do with me because suddenly I didn't look like them. It was a really hard year.

Thankfully, I was accepted by the drama geeks and some of the people who had always been ambivalent to the know-it-all nerd girl. Now I was cute and funny, since a personality had to develop in me during middle school since being pretty hadn't been an option. High school became tolerable and college was even more fun, because I got braces to fix my teeth. However, I am only speaking about male attention at this point. Guys wanted to sleep with me. Girls were wary of me for sure. Gay guys were fantastic. Even with my jacked up teeth, people thought I looked a little like Jewel I guess, so it became kind of a cute quirk.

Once the braces came off when I was 23 was when [it] got real. All of a sudden the super hot guys who would have NEVER given me the time in HS were all over me. Whispering sexy things to me, buying me drinks, offering to help me move. It was surreal. It was uncomfortable. It made me a bit sick to my stomach at times because it was so confusing how people could be so superficial.

With all of this being said...I don't think I am "hot". I am reasonably attractive. I would say I'm a solid "7". I have been told I'm "hot" though, and even though I don't fully believe it, I figured this might help some of you who are legitimately interested in this type of transformation. I'm obviously much better looking than I was, so that counts...right?

My husband thinks I am beautiful, and so do my children. That's all that really matters. I still have the same best friend that saved me from HS purgatory, and she probably thinks I'm "aiight", lol. As an adult now with a daughter of my own, I hope every day that she develops a brain and a heart before her looks come in. Because if genetics have anything to do with it, and based on how damn cute she is at 7 months old, she's gonna be a looker. My son is also adorable, so hopefully it will be a good ride for him too.



15. This sounds like the plot of a 90s teen movie

I was always the "quiet one" in primary school, so I didn't get any attention, good or bad, and automatically assumed I couldn't look that great to anyone out there. Then for the year 6 school disco my friends did the classic 10 year old girl thing and gave me a makeover, I got compliments all night, felt incredibly confident because of all these people paying attention to me who wouldn't have talked to me otherwise, and from then on I just kept feeling better about myself.



16. There is more than meets the eye

I really started looking better by the end of high school, and I noticed that other people noticed me. You know, little things like strangers eyes lingering on you, people commenting on how you look good, and stuff like that. I didn't really react to most of it, and I found the compliments to be fairly off-putting for whatever reason.

However, I will say that there were some benefits I tried to exploit. I learned that I could get free things for girls working in the service industry with relative ease. Stuff like gift cards, upgrades on airplanes, and discounts at bars and restaurants were pretty common if I put in a little effort to be engaging. I'm not sure if that's because they liked the interaction with another person, because I was decently good looking, or some combination thereof, but this worked for me.

In terms of misconceptions, I'm not sure. I don't feel judged often. But if I had to guess I would think that people often wouldn't tag me for someone who loves video games, plays trumpet, and enjoys reading.



17. You have to love yourself first <3

I have "ugly duck" syndrome. I went through a horribly awkward preteen/early teen stage years- I had a horrible haircut, was nerdy and socially awkward.

I grew a few inches in my later teen years and started working out, ended up losing lots of weight. I developed better social skills from being in theater and having to deal with awkwardness all the time (drama kids!).

I guess I started seeing a difference when I would drunkenly get asked out by guys all the time, or when strangers would compliment me. I didn't see a huge shift in personality- except maybe that I find myself irritating. I still have huge self esteem issues, except that if I complain about a part of myself I don't like, it comes off as 'fishing for compliments'- when really I actually do still see myself as an awkward 13 year old.

The other thing I've noticed is that I'm super distrustful of guys, because, as cheesy as it sounds, I don't know if guys like me for my personality or my [butt]. I mean, I'd love it if a guy was into me for both, but it [messes] with my head a lot when someone is really into me but I can tell they've built me up in their heads to be something as not.



18. Some people let their looks do all the talking

Found out in 6th grade. I'd say the worst part is, I've never had to hit on a girl or make interesting conversation. If I ever saw a hot girl, I knew that if I just stood there, she would eventually walk up to me and start talking. And on the rare occasion I did ask someone out, they were already staring at me and falling all over themselves. I know this sounds awesome, and I wouldn't trade it, but just think of the social interactions you learn. I've never learned how to charm people or be interesting.

I once saw this super [unattractive] guy walk up to a group of girls. The girl standing next to me pointed and said, "oh god, watch this train wreck about to unfold." But the guy walked up and said something and all the girls burst out laughing. The rest of the night, this group of hot girls was hanging all over this guy laughing at his every word. I could never do that.



19. Meh, same old, same old

I used to weigh 245, which is pretty big for 6'1. Started running and hitting the gym, lost a ton of weight. Now I get lots of people telling me how attractive I am, never had that whenever I was a big ol' boy. As far as how I'm treated differently, that's about the extent of it. Probably the most flattering thing I've heard is a couple of different people have said I should get into modelling now. I notice I'll catch women looking at me from time to time, but I'm way too socially inept to capitalize on any of that. I haven't gotten any preferential treatment or anything like that, that's to be sure. I would think it's mostly women who encounter stuff like that.



20. Beauty is only skin deep

I've known I was perceived as attractive since about 9th grade. I got a lot of attention from girls and it made me arrogant and kind of a [jerk]. This continued up to 10th grade where I'd be dating a few girls at the same time without regards to their feelings. I started talking to this one girl, she called me out on my [crap] and told me that my personality made me [unattractive]. That made me realize that I needed to change, I really liked this girl and didn't want to be someone she despised due to my character. I took a year off from dating and girls to work on myself. I came back my 12th grade year a changed person. I dumped a bunch of friends who I considered toxic, made new ones and I was more caring for others. I rekindled my relationship with the girl who brought about the changes in me. This year we'll be married for three years. I'm very glad she was ballsy enough to stand up to the "good looking cool guy on campus".



21. Now this is how you do it

The summer going into my freshman year of high school, I had an accident that required me to have my head shaved in order to accommodate all of my stitches. So there I was, starting freshman year of high school looking ... definitely odd as my hair didn't grow back in all the same. The back grew longer than the sides, the front grew shorter than the middle of my head. It was pretty awful and I ended up having a mullet no matter if I wanted one or not.

That summer however, taught me that people are rude. Boys were mean. I remember one boy particularly that called me hideous, made fun of me incessantly for not only being half bald but for having a terrible scar on my head. I became quite the nerd freshman year in high school, feeling like no one would talk to me because of my shaved head/scar. Someone left a helmet on my desk and everyone laughed when I found it. It was a sucky freshman year for sure.

Fast forward to senior year of high school, I was a tall 5'9 blonde with big boobs. And everyone had forgotten what I looked like freshman year. Except me of course. It never mattered to me that I became hot (and not to sound vain because I know that does) - what became important to me was how I treated others. Everyone to this day still looks like me and immediately thinks I'm a douche-nozzle because of being pretty - and I've had MANY people tell me that they are always so surprised when I'm not. Like that's some sort of compliment?

I believe that summer changed my behavior towards others 100%. I will never pass by someone without a smile. I treat EVERYONE the same - not matter what you look like.



22. Like night and day

I was never hot at school. I was super nerdy, spotty, and hilariously awkward. Things started changing when I was at college, I got more into music and adopted styles that suited me better and I was comfortable in, I didn't have anything before. I took a year out between college and university, and apparently that's the time I suddenly seemed to just shift. I'd always been quite active and never had an issue with my body, but my younger teen problems started to fade, I was more styled and comfortable within myself, and suddenly people were hitting on me. Before I was 17 I could probably count on one hand the amount of people who genuinely tried to hit on me or express interest, compared to the more popular kids I was invisible. Some girls simply took puberty in their stride and were glamorous and attractive right through school. When I got to University, I was really taken aback with the interest I seemed to get. Probably didn't help I was one of only a handful of girls on my course, but everywhere I went I was getting all this attention that I'd never experienced before.

I was still brutally shy at this point, but it at least gave me confidence that just maybe, I was actually attractive for the first time in my life. I certainly attribute some of it to the fact that everyone is simply getting hornier at that age compared to school, but I was genuinely starting to accept I was probably more attractive than I gave myself credit for. It didn't exactly help me come out of my shell though, if anything I probably got even more shy and used the small circle of friends I had as barriers. I went my entire first year single despite numerous, and even repeat advances from some guys. I had never been a social person and suddenly being thrust into a spotlight, I had no idea how to handle it, so I simply didn't for a while. The more friends I got however, I got more relaxed and more willing to be in social situations without clinging to a handful of people. It was a really awkward time for me trying to adjust, but it's interesting to look back and laugh at myself now for being so reclusive and timid. I am now much more at ease with people, I can meet new people and actually act like a normal human being.



23. It's not all fun and games

People always used to tell me I was pretty and that I should be a model and whatnot, and I always figured it was bull because I never cared about my appearance until around college.

In college though, I did start to try to make myself look nice, and it was actually really horrible what happened afterward. Literally four of my closest guy friends who I had been really close with came out and said they had always had crushes on me, and although I tried to let them down in the nicest way possible those relationships just aren't the same. I feel really guarded around them now.

I also just started feeling really objectified and it made me think about a lot of stuff--like, I always question if guys are talking to me because they're actually interested in me, or if they just think I'm hot. And I think being valued so much for your appearance is really damaging psychologically too. I never felt this way before but now suddenly I'm really worried about how people will treat me when I get older and am not longer hot and young. It's really depressing, honestly. Ignorance is bliss.



24. A good philosophy to have

I've been consistently rated an 8/8.5, which isn't exactly hottie status, but far more than I rate myself (5)

I think a lot of my view is based on the fact I was the big kid. I worked out since I was a teen and now I'm one of the guys who is still in shape despite the university party lifestyle. I'm tall, dirty blonde with an (in progress) beard, long eyelashes and full lips. Not good-looking by today's model standards but the old ladies love me.

Anyway. I do get a little boost in self confidence when I hear a higher then average rating. I feel like the female world is my oyster and I can feel people checking me out. The next day, it's all gone. People are looking at me because I'm the ex-big kid. Girls are attracted to the personality I try to show, but not my looks. I guess I feel like "me". And I know me so will that I'm not that special to myself.




Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?

You're not the only one.

u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?

Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.

I Know What I Like


My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.

The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.

- AardvarkAndy

A Stair Step

My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.

- RazerWolf04

My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.

- Apples9308


My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.

We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.

- FormalMango


I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.

My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.

- dontcryformegiratina


With an ex:

"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."

She did not understand this.

I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.

"Now how much do you have in your hand?"

She still didn't understand.

She somehow has a college degree.

- Speedly

Mini Wheats

When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.

- shicole3



I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.

- CorrectionalChard

That's Unfair

My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.

His answer was that I was being unfair.

- ShyAcorn

Pure Masochism

How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."

To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.

- argofire

Emailing NASA

A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.

- derawin07

A Non-Standard Ruler? 

I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.

Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.

7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.

Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.

Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.

- Lovelocke

This Unusual Vegan Argument

Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.

He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.

That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."

Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.

Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.

- onlytruebertos

Monty Python

In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.

It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.

- Skrivus

Albert or Arnold


Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?

- Gerrard1995

Below Sea Level

I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.

I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.

This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.

- -justforclout-


Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.

Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.

An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.

I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.

- TK-DuVeraun

Whales Are Mammals

I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.

- kawaii_psycho451


Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.

- sun_phobic

Shower Schedule

My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.

- LibrarianGovernment

No Balloons For Grandma

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.

He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.

He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

- Dskee02

Spontaneous Dolphin Existence


How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.

- thebeststory

Male Chickens

I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.

- bee_zah

Lightning McQueen

Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.

- 23071115

But ... Ice Floats

Waiter/Host here.

Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.

Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.

- FarWoods

Time Zones Exist

Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.

- JustARegularToaster


My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?"

"that's orange"

"no, it's red"



It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

- droneb2hive

Andre 2000?


I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)

The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.

The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.

It was stupid.

- P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D

Stars Like Our Sun

I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.


Richard Nixon

I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.

I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.

Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.


Balloon to Heaven

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.

And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.


Binder Clips

I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.

He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.

It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.



Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".

My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.




3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.

I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.


Lingerie Boxes

Late to the party, but there it is.

I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.

Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.


Wicked Witch of the West

I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.

I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.


Keep Your Hands to Yourself

Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.

They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.

So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.



My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.

I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.

We didn't speak to each other for four days.



How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).

How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.


Dogs and Chocolate


I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.

I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.


Is water wet?

My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.

For the record, it is no to both questions.


Mission Trip

A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.

He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.


Dragon Tales

One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.

It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.


Green Or Yellow?

When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.

Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.


Stars In Their Multitude


I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".

I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.



My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.


Hot Water

About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.

She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.

We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.


Biology Class

I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"

I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.

I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...


Solid Or Liquid?

Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.

For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.