Teachers Reveal Which Student Went On To Surprise Them Later In Life


Teachers are usually pretty good judges of their students' potential. Every once in a while though, one student will come along that either becomes so successful or fails so hard later in life that the teacher can't help but wonder what happened.

Reddit user u/jargson asked:

"K-12 teachers of Reddit, what is a story of a student you had who went on to surprise you with how much they later succeeded or failed in life?"


I coached a girl in Rugby 7s at highschool in 2017. She was not good! I never told her she wasn't good and always encouraged her but she was just starting (much later than most other students who have been playing since primary school). I never expected anything from her.

2 weeks ago I was watching a professional women's game and hear my highshools name, rewind and figure out they were talking about her, now playing professional rugby. Needless to say I was very proud.



As an adult, died in a police shootout following a manhunt for murder. I looked up his very distinctive name on a whim and there were a few articles about him.

As a middle schooler, he was rude, ran a gang of bigger boys, and was a great athlete. His mom (single and never came to parent/teacher meetings) was about my age, and I was an undergrad - you do the math.

Wasn't allowed on sports teams because of his grades, so I suppose could never channel that energy or get a strong authority figure. The school was/is in gang territory; students dumbed themselves down to fit in.

Made me think about how sometimes the odds are just so stacked against you through no fault of your own.



This is not mine, but my grandpas. I don’t know if this story counts, but I’ll say it anyway. There was this child actor who needed to act like an architect in a movie he would be in. My grandpa was still teaching at the time and is an architect so he had the kid in his class for a while to learn. That kid was Tom Cruise.



Not a teacher but went to school with a guy that had a 100% average because his mom baked cookies and did other things for the teachers and if he got anything less than 100 she would complain about it to the profs. She also had him listed for several learning disabilities, which he didn't have just so he could take like 2 weeks to write a 1 hour test (obviously went home and cheated). (He was on some special education plan that let him take all that time). He was genuinely a really smart guy too but his mom put too much pressure on him.

He got into the best university with a full ride- flunked out first year.

Since then, he's dropped out of like 4 other unis after a semester in each. He now works full time at a Tim Hortons as a cashier.

It's sad but karma is a b!tch because his mom used to always put down other kids by saying stuff like "you must feel really bad (sons name) got the highest average and you were only second highest. Don't worry, not everyone can win" ... she singlehandedly probably ruined his life.


Her poor son. He never had a real chance at growing up, I hope he is doing okay emotionally.



I work in a delinquent youth placement. We'll call this student Bob for anonymity.

Bob had problems. Authority issues, substance abuse, aggression, raised in the streets inner city minority kid. Bob wasn't going to see the age of 30 if he didn't get arrested. Nothing out of the ordinary for our facility. Over months and months we get Bob doing better. SA counselors, staff members, teachers, therapists.

He's working as a student worker and making money. He earned his GED. He even enrolled in community college in his home town. We were damn proud when he left our facility and got a part time job between classes.

Fast forward a couple months. One of our staff members does a recidivism check (is bob doing ok or in jail again?). Bob was shot by a rival of Bobs former gang for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. He died at the hospital, he wasn't even 20 yet.



Johnny Depp went to my high school (waaaaay before I did) but the chemistry teacher was the same guy (but much,much older by the time I got there). He'd always tell us how Johnny was always skipping school,didn't do well academically and played guitar in the halls. His mom was supposedly always being called.



Young girl, very smart but no Einstein. They removed her from her school and put her in the Center Based Gifted Program for the super-smart. The teachers there promptly ruined her (as they did all the kids in that program). None of them were truly challenged, given a curriculum that allowed them to pick and choose what they wanted to study (which taught nothing about hard work or slogging through the difficult parts) and brainwashed all the kids their parents (and everyone else in society) were the equivalent of low IQ monkeys compared to their "genius" and not worth their respect.

She graduated high school with high marks, because they were pampered and indulged, but college....where it's actually hard, and you actually Have to study and people don't constantly praise you for being 'amazing'....she lost her mind. Couldn't keep up with the other students, didn't know how to work for grades, and convinced herself her high school bf would cheat on her if she didn't go home and be with him.

She dropped a full ride scholarship in the first year. They broke up, of course, and she ended up 'managing' a rap group that was going nowhere, fell into drugs and a bad crowd and now works at as a cashier.



I taught at a high school. I had one student who was incredible in school, she had an awesome family, involved in clubs and was extremely shy. She was going to Brown or Princeton and wanted to be a civil engineer. Opened up and adult video hub the other day and I pretty sure she's a cam show girl. If not this chick has a doppelgänger.


Mayhaps she is cam-girling to pay her way through one of the aforementioned schools?


Honestly I have 80k in student loan debt. If I had known in college what I know now, I might have entertained the idea just to finish college debt free.



Best friend and Valedictorian I graduated with, did not go to college. Had multiple full rides 1400+ on the SAT. (When the max was just 1600). She scored perfect on the math. She Just wanted to live at the beach, so she did. Worked a crappy 9 to 5 and lived in a trailer. She's very happy. Success for her.

Taught a very talented kid. Taught him in middle school and was a beast on the basketball court. He could dunk a basketball in the 6th grade. He never played a game because of his grades and was later shot in a drug deal. One of his buddies ended up getting a full ride to play football at a Div. I college. Promptly quit because he didn't like being told what to do all the time.



Not my story, but my grandma's. She was a middle school English teacher and had this one student who was problematic. He was well known as a troublemaker and a bully. My grandma was a pretty strict teacher so she didn't take his crap. She had to take disciplinary actions on multiple occasions, so it's safe to say he was not a fan of her. But my grandma was always able to see his potential, and she didn't want him to waste his life.

Flash forward about 35 or 40 years. This student got ahold of my grandma's email address and contacted her. In the email he stated how he has had a very troubled life and had past problems with the law. He then said that he remembered back to her English class and how she was the only teacher who ever pushed him to be a better student and person. It ended up that those memories gave him motivation to turn his life around.

He cleaned up his life and was able to get and hold a job. He wanted to thank my grandma for being the only person who ever believed in him and pushed him to be a better person. It definitely made my grandma happy to know that even if it was decades later, she was able to help give someone self worth and a second chance at life.



Had a student who was one of the most undisciplined, uncontrollable people I had ever met. He probably had several undiagnosed learning disabilities, and had no regard for any kind of social norms, both in interactions with teachers and peers. He would wander the halls, barge into classes that were not his own, and attempt to engage in conversation with teachers in the middle of their lessons. He would have loud outbursts, sometimes of song, sometimes just to hear the sound of his own voice. On a few occasions, he would remove his shirt in class and lewdly rub his nipples.

This is just the stuff that immediately comes to mind, every day this kid would act out in some new, creative way.

He also happened to be an extremely talented singer and performer, and last year (his junior year of high school), he auditioned for and got a role on a show on a streaming service. I'm hoping the tutoring they provide him is more effective than traditional schooling, and that he gets his behavior under control... otherwise his success may not last long.



My neighbor taught chemistry in high school for almost 10 years. In particular, she recalls a student of hers who got perfect scores on almost every test. She was a hard worker and could be seen constantly studying. Ironically, despite her being a "nerd", she was pretty popular, and had lots of people around her. 2 years later she failed her senior year. It was discovered she had multiple accounts of drug abuse and had run away from home.

It was a huge scandal, as the school my neighbor worked in was a prestigious and highly competitive private school.

To everyone's surprise, two years later she came back to the school. After going to rehab and therapy she was a whole different person. She repeated her senior year, and managed to graduate with excellent grades. Now she's happily married after graduating from college.



One of my professors has this story.

She is a creative writing professor. She went and got her MFA in writing with a few guys who were writing this play. She said that they goofed off and never took their work seriously and they asked her to write with them. She figured them to be losers and turned them down. So now she's a creative writing adjunct professor, and her classmates, those guys... have their own animated series you might have heard of.... South Park.



There was a kid I grew up with who was a bully crazy kid. He was constantly in fights in elementary school. His mom was called almost every day, and he was on ritalin 2x a day and he was STILL a handful.

8th grade he suddenly decided not to be a psycho. He got great grades and studied hard. Was a straight A student all thru high school.

My family always joked that he was so smart he would either be a super villain or the president, he had the potential for both equally!

Now he's married with kids and helps people manage their money. If you had asked me in 6th grade what his life would have been like as an adult, I would say he would be in jail for aggravated assault. Lol.



Not a teacher, but I have a relevant story.

You know the show Scrubs? Well the creator of that show went to my high school. And I was a big fan of the show (when it was still good) and I tracked down one of his teachers. Specifically his creative writing teacher. He told me that his former student was a C student at best, and was solidly mediocre. So that's kinda funny.


Haha yeah that is cool! It would be interesting to see if the stuff he did in that class was actually "C" worthy, or if the assignments weren't really directed to bring out his talent? Or did he acquire the talent later?



There is a kid I taught in an English center here in South Korea. His name was John and it was for a debate class. John was good at debating but way too cool for school. He was in 7th grade or so and was getting to that age where he didn't give a sh*t. I really really wish he actually tried and released his potential, but alas, wasted.

Come a few yrs later and I run into him on the streets. I actually didn't recognize him but he came up to me and was very excited. It was kind of surreal because he was never really excited to see me. He thanked me for teaching him debate and he had just won a national competition. I was very proud of him. Sadly, thats the only time I ever saw him again.



I used to work for a company that took kids on wilderness trips for 3-4 weeks to teach them life skills, as an alternative to juvenile detention. Overall positive experience, and I really think the organization turned some kids' lives around.

However, one course I instructed was the worst--terribly behaved kids, terrible instructor team, terrible weather events. At the end, I kinda feared that the kids left worse off than they arrived. 4 months later, I was in the same area finishing another course (that was 100% more successful).

I was meeting with the local probation officer when one of the kids from the terrible course stopped in to see her unannounced. He needed her to sign papers because that was the day he was getting off probation.

I cried on the way home, knowing that he made that happen on his own because he's a good kid--and that the course I instructed didn't f*ck him up. But I know that not all the students had his success.



Not sure what a K-12 teacher is but here goes. I used to teach a girl, aged 13, who came from a very wild family. Drugs, vandalism, absenteeism among others. Not many staff predicted a great future for her as her school work was being held back due to family matters. Skip forward about 25 years and I bump into this girl with her mother. We gave each other a hug and she introduced me to her mother as 'The only teacher I could talk to at school.' She then told me she had a daughter....who was at University....about to graduate in Law.....aiming to be a Barrister! Wow what a cosmic change from her background! That ranks very high in my list of fantastic changes.



Not a teacher but I think I'd be one of those success stories.

Growing up my teachers all told my parents I'd never succeed or accomplish anything - my music teacher told my parents to take my instrument back to the store before paying too much for it since I'd never be any good (we couldn't afford private lessons). In high school the vice principal told my mom I wouldn't even manage to graduate and was destined to drop out and end up in prison.

I did graduate on time, and now I'm a prosecutor. I have no criminal record (except one minor speeding ticket), have lived on two different continents, speak several languages, and am a soloist in a local orchestra. To those rare teachers who believed in me- thank you. To this day I have constant feelings of inadequacy and I'm convinced I'm going to fail everything any second, but thanks to a few people urging me on, I dare to try.

To those teachers and everyone else who said I'd never succeed - f**k you. You tried to destroy me and nearly succeeded - thanks to you I spent years afraid to even talk, let alone try to do things I wanted to do. I'm happy I finally stopped letting my fears control me. camarhyn



I think it was my great-great-grandfather on my father's side. He was the Headmaster in a school in now Poland (back then Germany). He kicked this one student out of his school for document forgery (I think report cards) Anyway, forward a couple of decades and that student, Oscar Schindler, saves 1200 Jews from the Nazis. Fried3ggs


Not a teacher, but a classmate of mine.

Running back on our football team. I was a marching band geek and we were in the same class, so I saw basically every game of his. First team varsity his freshman year. Lightning fast, great vision, elusiveness, and a ton of raw power. First team all county, all state. By our senior year he had stacks of scholarship offers from D1 schools. Traditional blue bloods and newer powers, too. Notre Dame, Florida, Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, USC, name a school they probably offered him. We were all convinced he was going to get a full ride to a big school and get drafted in the NFL before his senior year.

Last I heard, he just smokes a lot of weed and works some menial job now. Such an enormous waste of talent. WuTangGraham


Not a teacher but a guy my dad went to school with.

This guy was a stellar student. He had a hyper ambitious and ruthless streak even from the youngest age. He had a gift for ingratiating himself with authority figures. Also being from a very rich family, people were speculating about him as being a future president of Vietnam (this was in Saigon, South Vietnam before 1975).

Fast forward many years later he is a refugee in Australia rising through the ranks of the Australian Labour Party (equivalent to the Democrats in the US) and the power brokers have huge ambitions for him - they had plans in making him a member of the Upper House in NSW parliament (state level senator) and eventually making him federal senator (national level senator). But he decided to have his political opponent assassinated.

Today he sits in a prison called Supermax and is marked Never to be Released on his files. Redf2016


This is basically the opposite what you asked, but I was the student bound to fail. After a brain injury, my doctors (all 5 neurosurgeons) STRONGLY believed I'd never make it through college. Well, I needed a LOT of tutoring, stretched a 2 year degree into 5 and barely scraped by with a 2.5, but I did it. I DID it!

I lost almost everything I was good at in that injury. I lost most of my vision, got seizures, became extremely socially retarded and unable to read body language (still struggle) used to be a swimmer and gymnast aspiring to go to the olympics, but now can't stand on one leg without falling. My intelligence became stunted, I became very depressed and self absorbed (I later learned this is common with brain injuries, to have narcissistic traits but not full blown.) I still can't work, I'm honest to god a failure in almost every aspect of life except 1.

I'm a damn good artist and a quick learner with making things.

I'm an idiot but I know my limits, I know when I can't advance, so I focused on the one thing I know I can do well, and that's art. I was good at art before but it wasn't what I specialized in. Now, with everything being taken in that accident and taking a year to relearn basic sentence structure, another 7 to be able to hold a normality conversation and a ton of gaming to get some basic hand eye coordination down, I'm good at gaming and I'm good at drawing.

I suck at a lot of things, but I'm hoping to teach art to inmates in prison so they get a second chance like I did. Someone to believe in them. I'm far from the best artist out there but I'm not terrible, I'm proud of it and it's what made me be accepted full ride into college. I have no aspirations to change the world, lead a big inspirational movement about breaking limitations because I was restricted, I pushed but I didn't beat my head against a wall on things I was physically unable to do. I'm happy being a nobody. I just want to help others get that same self satisfaction/purpose. KatTailed_Barghast


I'm a youth worker in the UK and have both a success and failure story. When I started working for the youth service we had a little recording studio, the guy who was running it had left and nobody else really knew how to use the equipment apart from me so I took over running it for a little while. We had all sorts of kids coming in to record stuff, from complete amateurs to kids who have had music and singing lessons since the dawn of time. One kid I remember has made it pretty big now, Olly Alexander from years and years. I think I still have some old recordings of him somewhere.

On the other end of the scale I was working with this one kid who had been abusing drugs and started dropping out of school etc. I was brought in to kind of mentor him but he was well past any help I could give him. Turned out that kid was on the British Olympic cycling team and got kicked off for smoking weed. He just hangs around skate parks smoking weed all day now. Really sad to see. fantapants55



I taught a kid who has now gone on to be a fairly popular entertainer in Australia. She was a good student, applied herself, was polite to everyone... the kind of dream student every teacher gets at least once in their careers. She's become a great adult too. I give kudos to her parents (as I taught her brother as well, and he was just as great a student). She deserves every success. Yet_Another_Mel


Not me, but my cousin. he had a student who was extremely successful and smart, scoring A+ in every test she had, she was a star student and every teacher complimented her on her knowledge. students and teachers both knew that she was bound to get a great job that carries a lot of money. not once did he think of the upcoming scenario:

Years later, he was at Woolworths shopping for school supplies. as my cousin was checking out, he saw her name tag and it said her name, she also sounded and looked very familiar. He asked if she was the straight A+ student, and with a red face she nodded. he was very surprised she isn't a lawyer but instead a bland woolies (Woolworths but in Aussie slang) cashier. thatfilthyoldshoe



I had The CEO of Samsung in my class. Not the best student (A-B) but surely didn't expect him to be anything great. Man-Dog-67


Had a student in 2nd grade. He was sweet but overly emotional. His mom was young and tough with him but loved him the best way she knew how. He was good and smart and sweet when I had him, but had some issues with fighting in 3rd, 4th, and 5th grade (mostly because he overreacted to everything). Anyways, fast forward 6 years- he was arrested for shooting his mom in the head as she slept, then beating her with a baseball bat because she didn't die from the gunshot, then loading her body into a plastic bin and dragging it down 5 flights of stairs and leaving it in the garbage area for the super to find in the morning.

He did all this while his 6 year old sister was home. His motive was "my mom was always bothering me about missing curfew and hanging out with the wrong people." (Yeah because he was in a gang). Last I saw, they showed him on the news being led into court in shackles with those big mittens on his hands so he couldn't attack anyone. ItWasTheMilk


I'm not a teacher but I have a story. In elementary school my teacher thought I had a mental disability. She wanted me gone and would tell my parents that I should visit a special needs school. I had to visit doctors and therapists. I wasn't good at school and I knew that. Somehow my parents managed to keep me in her class. They divorced because they fought so much about my problems. My teacher talked to them again and my father finally snapped.

I don't know what happend but my class didn't see her again. The new teacher allowed me to repeat a year. Finally I felt like I could understand school and I felt like someone believed in me.

I was a very good student in secondary school. Now I'm in university and I love it.

Every child deserves a chance. Jaci98


Not really my story but I go to the school Jihadi John used to go to and teachers would say that he was a friendly guy, good at sports and very likeable. He apparently also had an insecurity about his breath and would always try to cover his mouth up at times. Fast forward about 10 years and he became a terrorist that was part of ISIS. He's dead now too. doubleadizzl


Not a teacher. But when my mum was in middle school, she was a bit of a problematic student, especially during science classes, it got to the point that she got dispensation for "lack of interest and will to learn" and didn't have to turn up for the rest of the year. She now has a PhD in biochemistry. TheFriendlyPenguin


Not a teacher but a student I guess.

I found myself in treatment for drug and alcohol abuse at a fairly young age. I wanted to quit so terribly but I couldn't figure out how. When I left, I just remember one of the counselors saying "I give it a month and you'll be back." It was really upsetting but it pushed me to stay sober, just to prove him wrong.

In a couple days I'll have 6 years sober. My life is mostly put together, and I'm happy. So thanks Brian for not believing in me. You were wrong. blandnachos



Cuba Gooding Jr. went to Apple Valley Senior High, where he flunked drama class. PrintedinPLA


My grandad was a total failure at school, (he was probably severely dyslexic, and mildly autistic).

He left quite early on to become an apprentice boiler maker. But going to night classes, and steadily working his way through all sorts of texts on many academic topics, he eventually applied to university and was accepted to study psychology (he would have preferred to study mathematics, but the establishment had too many mathematics students to accept him).

From there, he became a professional psychologist, and one of the leading specialists in addiction and rehabilitation. Who was partly responsible for quite a few important changes in how addicts were handled. — Though he always said that it was no where close to enough, and I am inclined to agree. Direwolf202


My aunt, my father's sister, was ridiculously, unbelievably smart. As in, she skipped two grades in elementary school smart. But because she was a woman in Italy in the 1940s, she was married off at age 17 to an older, abusive, raging misogynist who made sure she was "put in her place" as a wife and mother. She worked as a seamstress for some time, but she wanted so much more from her life.

She was kind and loving. She was always happy to see her nieces and nephews and good with kids. She would have made an awesome doctor like what she had dreamed of. But her abusive father and abusive husband made absolutely sure that wouldn't happen, because it wasn't "her place" as a woman. 😢

She died 18ish years ago after suffering from cancer. Her abusive jerk of a husband is still alive, is 90+ years old, and making his daughters wait on him hand and foot because he refuses to accept care. Life just isn't fair sometimes. slinky999


My mother's story. She taught an Oscar-winning best actress who was the class bully. She definitely put the 'mean' in mean girls. Mom said the woman was the reason she was absolutely sure evil walked on Earth. PainIsTruthful



Ryan Cooglar. Always was a nice guy. Great smile. Charismatic. He was kind to me. Used to freestyle to my beats at lunch. DJSexualChocolate


Not a teacher, but a close friend of a guy with the most impressive 180 ever.

I've know this buddy of mine since elementary, he was never a good student, his grades are like F's to 50s to 60s from grade 1 to grade 10, he's not a troublemaker, he just doesn't give a crap. I use to think that he'd work a shit 9-5 job with no future, well I was wrong.

When grade 11 comes around, I don't know what happened, his grade shot up, like 90s to 100s up, he got multiple 90s and 100s between grade 11 and 12, there's not a single class he has that's lower than a 90.

I was dumbfounded, so I asked him wtf happened? He just said stuff happens. My best guess is that he's Asian, and we all know what Asian parents do to their under achieving kids lol

So after HS we both went to the same university, he continues to excel, high 90s across the 4 years in university. Near the end of our 4th year, he got a job offer at our federal government's economics development department (Canada btw, I don't know the full name), but he declined.

Nowadays he works from home doing something with investment and stock market, I don't really understand, but he can make $150 to $300 a day, Monday to Friday and only work roughly a few hours, like wtf how??

I asked him why don't he accept the job at the government, he has a very good chance to get promoted and be making 100k or more a year, his answer is amazing, "I'm too lazy to move, and if I wanted money I rob a bank," because we live in a different city, so to accept the job he'd have to move out.

But you know what, if he's happy with how it is then more power to him. He's 28 now, bought a house, a car, and forced his parents to retire because he can financially support them.

I still don't know what happened the summer between grade 10 and 11 lol. nuclearhotsauce


4th grade teacher here. I worked at a STEM charter school (public school but need to be selected from lottery to get in/easy to get kicked out of and sent back to regular public school). I had this boy last year that was just an ADHD nightmare. Having ADHD myself, it was a fine line between knowing where he was coming from and having to lay down the law. I had weekly parent conferences where I suggested taking him to a doctor who could give him a diagnosis and medicine to which dad said "African American Men don't get medicated." Deep down he was a good kid, sweetheart and wanted to succeed, but he had no impulse control/anger management skills. After throwing chairs, cursing out classmates and telling me he was going to "pimp slap me," I pretty much gave up on trying to get him help considering his parents wouldn't. We made it through the year and I hugged him goodbye for the summer.

I didn't return to that school because we moved (husband is military) but about 2 months into the school year I got a text message from my former Vice Principal telling me my student picked up where he left off, only his 5th grade teacher wasn't as understanding as I was, he was facing expulsion, and she had submitted all the paperwork to get him removed. He was crying about how he missed me and he didn't appreciate me while I was there. He was realizing, looking back, how much I was looking out for him. Makes me sad that his parents won't get him the help he desperately needs and I fear the path he's headed down. lmp112584


Obligatory not a K-12 teacher but a college student with a friend. Dude shows up to school and gets a 3.8+ average in CS at a UC over the course of three years. This is probably top 5% if not higher at the school. His third year (1 year away from his degree) he straight drops out and starts living in his car because his ideal career is to be an entrepreneur and his goal is to never work for anyone else. The car thing was likely because he watched too many YouTube videos on living in his car. The entrepreneur thing was probably from reading too many of those self help books with titles such as "How to say no to everything but still achieve all your goals in life." mr_clean_magic_reach



Not surprised so much as amazed. I teach English language acquisition and I had one girl who came to me knowing no English except "I don't know." A year later she's having full conversations with friends in English, asking and answering questions in English. I'm just so damn proud. magicalnegress


Most successful student to date was in my 8th grade technology education class. He plays for the Philadelphia eagles now. We did a career project in that class, and I wish I could go back to see what he put. A lot of students put NFL, it would be cool if he put that.

Not sure if it's a big failure, but one of my students I also taught in 8th grade technology education ended up being shot and killed by his friend cleaning a shot gun. llf002


I was that student. I was the wild girl in high school, was involved in drugs, drinking, dated older boys, skipped school, repeatedly failed my classes, was hospitalized four times for depression, and finally dropped out and got my GED.

Messed around after high school, tried junior college, failed out, waited tables and worked crappy retail jobs. Finally, after watching my then boyfriend shoot up coke, I decided I had to get out of that life and I went back to college.

Four degrees later and a PhD, I'm now a college professor. I love running into people who knew me way back when. Most of them are really happy for me because they knew I was the smart kid who was going through a rough patch. demosthenes29


A student who moved from Scotland to Melbourne in the 50's learnt drums in a pipe band and was pretty good. He dropped out of school at 15 and was sent to prison for 9 months for 'giving a false name and address to the police, having escaped legal custody, having unlawful carnal knowledge, and stealing 12 gallons of petrol.' He later attempted to join the army but was rejected for being 'socially maladjusted.' He later died of alcohol poisoning at the age of 33.

He was Bon Scott, lead singer of AC/DC. The albums he released got 56 Platinums. WillTheLad


I had a student, she was very bright. Simply put, she never did anything with her abilities. It isn't more complicated than that. I'm one of her job references, so every few years I get a call or email from her next menial employer. They're always low-end jobs, paying $12-15 or so an hour to someone who could be pulling a six figure salary. Money isn't everything, but who enjoys drifting through poverty? SeeingSongs



A goodie two shoes girl I knew growing up, nice/ cheerleader/polite/good family/religious/ etc. She dropped off the planet her senior year. Rumor was she got knocked up. Either way, I never saw her again. Super weird. Dani3113kc


Substitute teacher at one point. One of the girls I taught was a nice young girl and good student. She graduated and then started working at the same place as my full time job and I got to train her when she started there. She didn't work there very long to follow some boyfriend out of state but told my boss that I was her favorite person to work with and was thankful for the mentoring. It made me feel like I actually did something right for a change. GhastyGaster


I taught a kid in 8th grade who was polite and funny and smart, often the kid who could get the others in the class to participate when they didn't want to.

He graduated from middle school, and a year later I learn he was arrested robbing a gas station at gunpoint. ringofstones


So one day in school, my science teacher (Let's call him Mr. A) tells us this story:

(Warning, some of the details may be a bit off)

There was this random kid who was participating in the science fair, let's call him Logan. He signed up for the science fair and asked Mr. A for help with his project. Logan wanted to test how well brands like Nike and Under Armour actually absorb sweat or whatever. Logan tells Mr. A he wants to do something along the lines of; taking a fruit with a pit, removing the pit, and filling it with water using a syringe.

Logan plans to poke small holes in the fruit so that the water can come out, and then wrap the shirt material around the fruit, then put it in an oven. So that he can see if the fruit's "sweat" would be absorbed by the shirt. (Don't ask me how that works, I honestly have no clue)

Mr. A calls him crazy for this idea, but Logan does the science fair project anyways. Logan ends up getting nominated to go to a state science fair championship or something, and asks Mr. A to go with him. Mr. A goes, and Logan ends up getting offered like $1,000,000 by Nike or some brand.

A kid who went to my school got offered a bunch of money by some company because of a crazy science fair experiment. Educated_Aries


I was a German Elementary math school teacher of a student who was very obnoxious. I taught him for 3 years because our school was very small and the 3rd-5th grade merged. He was very loud and playful, but obnoxious. I remember him having bad body odor and always trying to talk to girls; you could see their reaction to his smell. His grades ranged from C's to F's due to several failed tests, but he still passed 5th grade.

At the last day of 5th grade math, when the class was to officially be moved on to 6th grade and taught by a whole new teacher, I grouped the class in a circle and asked each of them, one-by-one, what they wanted to be when they grow up. On his turn, the obnoxious boy picked his nose and said "science" in a soft, mumbled voice. That boy? That boy grew up to be Albert Einstein. gnpascua


Appreciate your teachers!

Have you ever found yourself in an argument so stupid and/or pointless that you were sure you were being punked? Like you keep looking away from the other person to check your surroundings for places Ashton Kutcher and a camera crew could come popping out of?

You're not the only one.

u/Anti-hollowkid asked: What is the dumbest argument you've ever been in?

Brace yourselves, folks. Some of these arguments are breathtakingly bonkers. The sheer number of people who are willing to argue with someone over provable facts and what that other person likes or doesn't like is just ... stunning. It's stunning, you guys. Just not in a good way.

I Know What I Like


My wife and I once argued over whether or not I liked mustard on my hot dog. I was for me liking mustard, she was against me liking mustard.

The argument lasted way longer that you could ever imagine it would.

- AardvarkAndy

A Stair Step

My brother and I argued if our staircase had 13 or 14 steps, based on an argument about if the floor of the second floor counts as a stair-step or not. We still have no solution.

- RazerWolf04

My dad is a stairbuilder and I spent many summers working at his warehouse, so I can clear this up. 14.

- Apples9308


My husband and I have this thing where we only say "I love you" on Saturdays. Every other day it's "I love you, but only on Saturdays." I don't know how it started, but it's been going for 11 years now.

We're both shiftworkers, so sometimes we have to stop and think what day it actually is. We had an argument recently over whether it was Saturday or not. I said it was Saturday, he said it was Friday. It was Monday.

- FormalMango


I remember when I was about 13 my parents had an hour-long shouting match that ended with them almost getting divorced. The issue? Whether or not the nation of Iraq has a coastline.

My mother arguing that Iraq had a coastline, while my stepdad argued that it did not. This was back in 2004, and they are still quite happily married to this day. That incident is something they look back on and laugh about, and both of them admit it was really a pretty stupid thing to argue over.

- dontcryformegiratina


With an ex:

"I owe you $80 for the bills of ours that you pay, and you owe me $40 for the bills of ours that I paid. Here's $40 in cash; we're even."

She did not understand this.

I literally had to go get another $40 out of the ATM, and hand the $80 to her. Then I had her hand me the $40 she owed me.

"Now how much do you have in your hand?"

She still didn't understand.

She somehow has a college degree.

- Speedly

Mini Wheats

When we were kids my brother and I got in a physical fight because he said I like mini wheats and I insisted I didn't. His argument was that I always sang the mini wheats song and I was deeply offended that he wasn't aware that it was just stuck in my head but I hated the cereal. I actually did like the cereal I'm not sure why I was arguing with him about it but I remember how genuinely angry I was.

- shicole3



I'll tell you about the only legal trouble I've ever been in, the fight that got me arrested. It started over whether we should return a box of crayons or not, and to this day I don't have any idea how it escalated to the point of the cops being called, but they were and I was the one taken in.

- CorrectionalChard

That's Unfair

My boyfriend insisted that when two people are in an argument and one makes a point so reasonable and logical the other one can't disagree with it - it's unfair. I tried, logically and reasonably, to explain several times why that is just winning the argument, proving your point thoroughly and is completely fair.

His answer was that I was being unfair.

- ShyAcorn

Pure Masochism

How the ch in masochism is pronounced. My friend caught me saying "masoKism" while he would say "masoSYism."

To be fair, he grew up speaking French, in which the ch in masochism is pronounced in "his" way. But he insisted that I was the wrong one here and that was just infuriating.

- argofire

Emailing NASA

A woman was adamant that looking at the big solar eclipse on the television was unsafe unless you were wearing glasses. She wouldn't believe us and insisted on emailing NASA to check.

- derawin07

A Non-Standard Ruler? 

I worked for a company that made signs. We had a customer ask for signs that were 7mm wide that were to go on a door. Our sign makers figured the order meant inches because 7mm is pretty small, so made them 7 inches. I got a phone call from the customer who went mad at me for making them the wrong size. So I put a reorder through for 7 mm.

Argued with the sign makers over it but they eventually agreed to do it after I shown them the order in writing. I even had the customer put her complaint in writing, reiterating the size they wanted.

7mm signs went out and a day later I get the customer on the phone literally screaming at me.

Cue the dumb argument - we ended up having an argument over how big a millimetre is, and obviously everyone in the office were laughing, but this customer just wouldn't accept it and said we must be using a non-standard ruler to measure.

Ended up being escalating to the sales department manager who refused to issue a refund. We still don't know what they actually meant.

- Lovelocke

This Unusual Vegan Argument

Was in a pub with a few friends, and some random Dude dropped an ear, and somehow figured I'm vegan. Well, people like him are the reason I usually avoid mentioning it. He came up to me and insisted on starting a discussion about veganism. He claimed that by the end of it, I would be eating meat again.

He listed some stupid arguments, I told him I was not convinced and then tried to keep on drinking beer with my friends. He followed me, and wanted me to "try to convert him to a vegan." I stupidly listed some of my reasons thinking it would make him go away. He told me he still was not convinced, so I was like whatever. Again, I really just wanted to drink beer with my friends.

That dude followed me all night and expected me to try make him vegan. Doesn't matter what I said, and all the reasons that for me are obviously good enough to be vegan. He'd be just like "No, that doesn't convince me, therefore your argument and how you life is stupid."

Didn't matter how often I told him that I honestly don't care; 5 minutes later he would come up to me again "I'm still not vegan, so veganism is stupid, all your arguments were stupid, now give me a good reason to become vegan!" At one point, I was literally yelling at him that I don't give a single flying f about what he eats and why, that it's in no way my responsibility to "turn somebody vegan" and in no way his business what I eat.

Honestly, for that dude, I would have bought a whole ham, just to shove it up his stupid annoying face.

- onlytruebertos

Monty Python

In college my roommate and I argued about a line in Monty Python & the Holy Grail. The scene with the Black Knight where the line "Alright, we'll call it a draw" is uttered. We argued about who said that line, whether it was King Arthur or the Black Knight.

It went on for hours longer than it should have because I was stubborn and refused to admit I was wrong.

- Skrivus

Albert or Arnold


Whether Albert Einstein or Arnold Schwarzenegger would be more useful to have around during a Zombie apocalypse. How on earth would Albert Einstein come in handy!?

- Gerrard1995

Below Sea Level

I live on an island and when you go upland and you look out the sea looks like it's higher than or on the same level as the land. It's just a weird perspective thing because of the horizon. One day some kid says that it's because the island is under sea level.

I'm like wtf bro all of us would be with the fishes. He argues that no that's not true and if I just go upland I'll see. We then spend a good 5 minutes of my time arguing about it until I decided to leave this kid in his stupidity. He even said we shouldn't believe everything adults tell us and sometimes we need to think for ourselves.

This kid was older than me and was going to a good school. Lost my respect for him ever since then.

- -justforclout-


Someone tried to fight with me over how to spell my name.

Now, my name is in a lot of languages with slightly different spellings. I would have accepted any of those spellings, but this one was just... Not even close. It didn't make any logical sense.

An analogous example is if my name was Thomas and someone was insisting it was spelled Tomash. And not just the name Thomas in general, but that me specifically, on my birth certificate, was named Tomash. I know how to spell my own name.

I swear to god, it went on for like an hour.

- TK-DuVeraun

Whales Are Mammals

I was in an online chat room one day, and we were talking about whales. I commented on how whales are mammals and the next thing you know, someone was arguing with me and trying to convince me that a whale was a fish.

- kawaii_psycho451


Stupid microwaves. Having a man child talk down to me about how microwaves work only for him to google it and prove me right. He slept on the sofa that night.

- sun_phobic

Shower Schedule

My friend keeps telling me that the norm is that a person should shower once a week. This has been going on for years. I'm almost convinced he's trolling me.

- LibrarianGovernment

No Balloons For Grandma

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky.

He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space. Releasing balloons is terrible for the environment and kills/harms so much wildlife.

He got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.

- Dskee02

Spontaneous Dolphin Existence


How dolphins reproduced. It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence. The argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day.

- thebeststory

Male Chickens

I repeatedly had the argument with a friend over whether roosters were chickens. She was convinced that only the females were chickens (hens). We were 18 at the time.

- bee_zah

Lightning McQueen

Me and my friend were drinking underage, we ended up in an argument of whether lightning McQueen's eyes were blue or green. Somehow throughout the whole thing both of us never thought to straight up google a picture.

- 23071115

But ... Ice Floats

Waiter/Host here.

Woman wanted ice on the bottom of her drink.

Now read that sentence again and try to imagine arguing with that particular brand of stupid.

- FarWoods

Time Zones Exist

Coworker claimed that it was the same time of day and the same season on the whole globe. Had to get 4 coworkers to confirm to him that time zones do in fact exist.

- JustARegularToaster


My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?"

"that's orange"

"no, it's red"



It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.

- droneb2hive

Andre 2000?


I'm late, but I saw this question and instantly remembered that I was booted from a Facebook group because I called someone out on a lie that was not only bull, but extremely pointless. She was friends with the moderator and they made the case that my argument over such a little lie was more of a problem than the lie itself (though they didn't refer to it as a lie.)

The woman said that she used to babysit for Andre 3000 and that his name was Andre 2000 - but he changed it after the year 2000 had passed. This was so easily disproven it was ridiculous. Their debut album came out in 1994 and he was already going by Andre 3000 at that time.

The argument wasn't a huge long drawn out thing, but the fact that either of us were on Facebook at separate times meant that the responses were over a long period of time so this argument lasted a few days.

It was stupid.

- P1ST0L_Wh1PP3D

Stars Like Our Sun

I was arguing with my grandpa about stars he didn't believe that there are other stars like our sun. Basically he thought there is only the sun, the moon and the earth.


Richard Nixon

I have a degree in history. I mostly focused on nationalism. Wrote a 50 page paper on it and Richard Nixon with around 50 100 sources. Looked at micro film for hours on end. Part of the paper focused on how Nixon being chair of the house committee of Unamerican Activities was used as a powerful weapon to use against political enemies. It also inspired Joe McCarthy. Have had people tell me I was wrong and Nixon was never elected to a position besides the president and Joe McCarthy came before Nixon. I stopped trying to talk history to people.

I also know quite a bit about the history of the Balkans its amazing how many Serbs refuse to believe Tito did anything wrong.

Wrote 100 page paper on nationalism in Israel. Its frustrating to talk about because for some reason a lot of people think Palestinian firing rockets randomly into Israel is ok but if Israel retaliates the people get up in arms over a targeted air strike that kills 3 people.


Balloon to Heaven

My cousin and I argued over a balloon going to Heaven. We were at his big sisters prom send off and he let a balloon go and it went high into the sky. He then said this balloon will go up past space and go to Heaven and reach grandma (God rest her soul). And I was like no it's not and it's probably not even gonna reach space.

And he got really mad and defensive and started telling me to google it and do my research and I'm like I don't have to google it you idiot. He was mad at me for a good week.


Binder Clips

I got into an argument with a co-worker over how we were attaching two pages of a letter together: small binder clips or paper clips.

He felt that paper clips would leave a "dent" in the paper when removed, but binder clips won't. He refused to staple them together. I felt that binder clips would also leave a "dent", so we might as well just use the paper clips.

It ended with him saying: "Do what you want [me], I don't care!" and storming off.



Once got accused of faking being Jewish. Why? I have no clue. We argued over the course of a month, any time I'd bring it up and she heard about it, she'd begin going after me for "faking it".

My mother's side is ethnically Jewish. Grandparents were practicing.




3 friends and I once got into an argument about how to pronounce Nutella. It lasted for about 3-4 months. It was hilarious how serious we took it, it'd get heated but never for real serious.

I think someone even called the company that made it to check, or that may have been for the Cheetos company. We were really bored in high school.


Lingerie Boxes

Late to the party, but there it is.

I'm a manager at a small store. We're only 4 working there, so my team and I grew very close and we joke around a lot. Once during a slow shift, my employee and I had an argument because we were looking at the lingerie boxes, and I thought that two specific boxes had the same woman on it, but she was 100% positive they weren't the same person.

Looking back, I don't know why it was such a big deal to us at the time, but we even called another employee who lives across the street to come and tell us what the heck was up with that. Turns out I was right, and she was pretty salty about it. It was a great night.


Wicked Witch of the West

I almost got into an argument with an old girlfriend over Glinda the good witch from Oz. She insisted that Glinda was manipulating Dorothy to assassinate the Wicked Witch of the West and convince the Wizard to leave to create a political void she could fill.

I conceded the issue when I heard the whole premise because I thought it was too damn stupid to get worked up over.


Keep Your Hands to Yourself

Just the other day I legit got in an argument with my co-workers on why I don't like my butt being grabbed by anyone (I'm a guy). Seriously.

They went on about "I don't mind it. Mike and I do it all the time and we don't care." Yeah, that's nice dude, but I'm not you, and there's something called "Keep your hands to yourself" (which was taught to a good portion of us growing up). Just like how Karen wouldn't like it if I touched her boobs or her grabbing your crotch or frankly ANY area you wouldn't like being grabbed, keep away. In general, you should not be touching me in any areas after I've told you not to several times before.

So unless you're sleeping me or dating me, keep your damn hands off my toosh.



My best friend and I argued over whether or not telekinesis was possible. Her argument was that humans don't yet know what the human brain at 100% usage was capable of, and that telekinesis was inside the possibilities.

I said the brain does use 100%, just at different times.

We didn't speak to each other for four days.



How dolphins reproduced and whether or not ghost existed (back to back with the same person). It took me a few solid minutes of explaining to her that dolphins have reproductive organs and that they did not just pop into existence (the argument began with her saying she wanted to work with sea creatures).

How it shifted to the existence of ghosts is a solid and reasonable question to ask (I don't remember why). I had to then proceed to tell her that ghost hunting TV shows do not constitute as undeniable evidence.

Personally, I hope she was messing with me cause I lost a little faith in humanity that day. This was in high school SO... hopefully she was kidding.


Dogs and Chocolate


I told this stupid woman that chocolate is toxic to dogs. She went on to tell me how a little bit will just make them hyper and then they will calm down. I told her to google it. Her and her bf shut right up. Now they have a kid. Good luck, Jeremy and Andrea. morons.

I should also add that this argument started because Jeremy was giving his tiny dog chocolate and I told him it was toxic.


Is water wet?

My roommate and I have a recurring argument over whether or not water is wet l, and whether or not a person is considered wet underwater.

For the record, it is no to both questions.


Mission Trip

A kid a church telling me about the mission trip I went on. Not only was I not on that trip, but I had never been on any mission trip. We were good friends, so it's not like he would've mistaken someone else for me.

He insisted I was there as if an entire week long trip would just fall out of my memory. He even had stories of things we'd done together. I'm not sure if he thought I was lying, joking, stupid, or crazy, but I was pretty sure he was some combination thereof.


Dragon Tales

One time I got into a shouting match with my mom and little brother in the car. The issue? The names of the two-headed dragon from the PBS kids afternoon show Dragon Tales. I swore it was Zack and Macie.

It was actually Zak and Wheezie. I don't even remember why we were yelling about it.


Green Or Yellow?

When I was about 15 or so my mother and I spent about 20-30 minutes arguing about the color of a shirt. We agreed it was blue/green, but to me it was just a shade more blue, while to her it was just a bit more green.

Turns out, your eyeballs yellow as you age and hers were 24 years yellower than mine, so I think that skewed her color vision.


Stars In Their Multitude


I once got in an argument over whether or not a line from the song "Stars" in Les Mis says "...but mine is the way of the lord" or "mine is the way of the law".

I didn't even really care what he thought but he was so adamant and cocky that it got me heated. By the end of it we were shouting at each other and I had to apologize, which I think is what he wanted the whole time.



My brother is colorblind. And he CONSTANTLY tries to correct me on what color things are.

"Hey could you hand me that red _____?" "that's orange" "no, it's red" "orange" "YOU CANT EVEN KNOW".

It is the base of our most common and heated arguments.


Hot Water

About five years ago, my girlfriend (now wife) once had a very intense argument about whether or not hot water cleaned things better than cold water.

She genuinely believed that water temperature didn't matter. This is someone who has not one, but two masters degrees.

We argued for something like 2 hours, and we seriously almost broke up over the whole thing.


Biology Class

I had an argument with a girl IN THE MIDDLE OF A BIOLOGY CLASS in high school about how humans are not mammals. She thought a human was a human and we are not mammals because "mammals are animals and humans are not animals"

I tried explaining to her the difference between reptiles and mammals and how humans fall under the mammal category to try and educate her... but she just wouldn't listen.

I still have no idea why the BIOLOGY teacher did not get involved...


Solid Or Liquid?

Some classmates and I got into a heated debate as to whether or not the human body could count as a soup, salad, or sandwich. The teacher got mad at us, but hey! All we were doing was watching a movie.

For the record, my logic lays with soup- Liquid contained within a solid, at a hot temperature.